WELL THEY DIDN’T HOLD MAL.

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Remember him shouting an QT. almost ordering the High court judges that ” SO THEY WILL HOLD”

Well the judges didn’t like being told what to do so they came back with a big

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Todays results were are disaster for these useless incompetents and especially for the so called PM.

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Deputy PM and leader of the Nats is gone along with 4 others. All members of the Coalition or greens. Not 1 labor person has been found to be in breach of the rules despite I am guessing some pretty thorough digging by the opposite side

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The Govt still has a Majority because the speaker can vote in case its a tie and I don’t think he would go against his mates.

All this on top of cashgate and the failed AWU raids.

IT sure is a exciting time to be alive Mal.

wanker

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  1. Again, no ambiguity

    According to the Federal Office for Migration, there has been no restriction on multiple citizenship in Switzerland since 1 January 1992. Thus, foreigners who acquire Swiss citizenship and Swiss citizens who voluntarily acquire another citizenship keep their previous citizenship (subject to the laws of the other country), as was the case before this date. An estimated 60% of Swiss nationals living abroad in 1998 were multiple citizens.

    Since many nationality laws now allow both parents to transmit their nationality to their common child (and not only the father, as used to be often the case), many children automatically acquire multiple citizenship at birth. This is especially frequent in Switzerland, since a relatively high proportion of the population holds a foreign passport (up to 54% in Geneva and 20% nationally). However, the Federal Office for Migration specially notes that this has not resulted in any practical problems worth mentioning. Military service, the most likely problem to arise, is usually done in the country where the applicant resides at the time of conscription.

    Even though Swiss nationality law permits multiple citizenship, a Swiss national who also holds another country’s citizenship may be required to renounce the foreign citizenship, under the foreign country’s nationality law.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiss_nationality_law#Dual_nationality

  4. I think my eyes deceive me… Kenny’s latest article refers to Shorten as “the alternative prime minister” and Turnbull as “embattled” – in the ssme article!

  5. Tasmanian crossbench senator Jacqui Lambie has admitted her father was born in Scotland, but says she has no concerns about being a dual citizen.

    In a statement, Senator Lambie said her father migrated from Scotland as an infant, and she was satisfied her parents were both Australian citizens.

    “His father, my grandfather, came to Australia to enlist in the Army in fact,” she said.

    “As far as I’m concerned, all their affairs are in order.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-11-08/jacqui-lambie-admits-father-born-in-scotland/9131774

    I’m quite at ease with Ms Lambie in the Senate. She is wacky but she does not support the crazy stuff that Your Government tries to make legal.

    • … and just in case you kiddies haven’t been across the story, let take in steps, shall we?

      Once upon a time there was a handsome Prince…

  7. I just want to get back to the John Birmingham article and GD’s comments earlier today, to clear up something.

    We all like to believe that the Greens voted down the Malaysian Solution in the Senate, in collusion with the then opposition. I’ve probably said that at same time, so have most of us.

    But we were all wrong. The more you study the more you learn.

    The Malaysian Solution was never dependent on legislation, and it was never debated in the Senate.

    Here’s what happened.

    On 7 May 2011 Julia Gillard, announced she had reached an agreement with the government of Malaysia, in which they would take 800 of our boat arrivals and in return Australia would resettle 4000 refugees then stuck in Malaysia. This was done not through any legislation, but through then Immigration Minister Chris Bowen using his ministerial powers to make a declaration. This avoided any embarrassing losses of divisions in parliament.

    The move was challenged in the High Court and the court ruled against it on 31 August 2011. Not only did that decision destroy the Malaysian Solution, it also put into doubt the legality of all offshore detention.

    Before that judgement had been handed down Julia Gillard had finalised an agreement with the PNG government to re-open the detention centre on Manus Island as an ‘assessment centre’, to be part of the Malaysian deal.

    In response to the High Court the Gillard government came up with a new bill, the Migration Legislation Amendment (Regional Processing and Other Measures) Bill 2011 This bill was introduced on 22 September 2011 and briefly debated in the Reps but was abandoned when it became clear it was not going to be passed.

    Other things happened. Some asylum seekers were brought to the mainland from Christmas Island and given bridging visas and allowed to live in the community. An inquiry into the management of asylum seekers was held.

    The Gillard government and the Labor Party remained committed to some form of off-shore processing.

    In June 2012 Julia Gillard announced the formation of the Expert Panel on Asylum Seekers, the panel handed down their report on 13 August 2012. The Gillard government accepted all the proposals in that report. One of the first to be adopted was the resumption of off-shore processing.

    To allow off-shore processing to go ahead and to address the concerns of the High Court the Migration Legislation Amendment (Regional Processing and Other Measures) Bill 2012 was returned to parliament for debate. All the details of that bill and the debate can be accessed here –
    https://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Bills_Legislation/Bills_Search_Results/Result?bId=r4683

    The bill passed the Reps. The Senate debate was long and emotional, and the Greens tried to get many amendments and failed on all of them. In the end the bill passed with only the Greens opposing it.

    The full version of this history is here –
    https://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Parliamentary_Departments/Parliamentary_Library/pubs/BN/2012-2013/Detention#_Toc351535443

    So there you go – the Greens never did vote down the Malaysian Solution because they never had a chance to do that. It was the High Court that killed that plan.

    • Just a bit more – what the Greens did do was move motions in both houses condemning the Malaysian Solution. It was a pointless exercise, it didn’t achieve anything but a bit of ‘Labor defeated in both houses’ media coverage. The motions, presented in the Senate on 11 May 2011 by Sarah Hanson-Young, seconded by Michaelia Cash, and in the Reps on 16 June 2011 by Adam Bandt, seconded by Andrew Wilkie, just called on the Gillard government to abandon the Malaysian Solution and were passed by both houses. The motions were purely attention seeking, supported by the opposition, the sort of thing oppositions and minor parties do when they want to make their feelings clear but have no way of stopping a government decision.

      Then the High Court killed the whole idea anyway.

  11. What? Bolt talking to a Green?

    Although I guess it makes sense that he’d want to wash his mouth out with something minty after spending the past few weeks with his face in Donald Trump’s crotch, at least going by the crap he’s been writing lately.

  15. Good morning Dawn Patrollers.

    Mark Kenny reckons Shorten “stiffed” Turnbull yesterday over the citizenship register or whatever.
    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-opinion/not-my-problem-bill-shorten-stiffs-embattled-malcolm-turnbull-20171108-gzhcev.html
    Adam Gartrell and Mark Kenny seem to be suggesting that Turnbull’s a bit spooked over the issue.
    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/malcolm-turnbull-plans-to-recall-parliament-to-deal-with-citizenship-issues-20171108-gzh2i1.html
    Phil Coorey has his say on the worsening citizenship issue. Google.
    /news/politics/citizenship-crisis-worsens-as-malcolm-turnbull-bill-shorten-bicker-20171107-gzgwgz
    Michelle Grattan says Malcolm Turnbull and Bill Shorten are inching towards an agreement on the form of a citizenship declaration that each member of parliament would have to make within weeks.
    https://theconversation.com/turnbull-and-shorten-haggle-over-detail-of-citizenship-disclosure-system-87106
    Judith Ireland is not impressed with Turnbull’s “trust” proposal.
    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-opinion/trust-me-im-a-politician-why-the-citizenship-plan-beggars-belief-20171107-gzgfs9.html
    Richo calls time for this “dud PM”. Google.
    /opinion/columnists/graham-richardson/time-is-up-for-dud-pm-malcolm-turnbull/news-story/ba09f52b15e75abf42358556758c4f03
    Taking a break between grave matters of national security and remembering the Holocaust in Israel, Malcolm Turnbull said, somewhat incongruously, that he was having more fun than he had ever had in his life. Mungo MacCallum says that Turnbull is still pretending he’s in charge.
    https://independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/mungo-maccallum-malcolm-turnbull-is-still-pretending-hes-in-charge,10906
    Katharine Murphy analyses what’s going on with the “bipartisan” approach to citizenship for MPs.
    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2017/nov/08/citizenship-deal-or-no-deal-as-leaders-keep-pathetic-game-show-on-the-air
    John Warhurst proffers a case for extending the citizenship test to judges, generals and the like.
    http://www.smh.com.au/comment/why-stop-at-parliament-why-not-disqualify-dualcitizen-judges-generals-and-bureaucrats-20171107-gzgwkk.html
    Andrew Bolt with a good spit at the Liberals and Turnbull in particular. Google.
    /news/opinion/andrew-bolt/andrew-bolt-liberal-power-is-wasted-without-liberal-ideas/news-story/5e6668e386ecbbab28fc1cbda6e6889f

  16. Section 2 . . .

    Peter Martin tells us that people simply do not believe Scott Morrison when ha says that better days are ahead and then explains why. It’s not a pretty picture.
    http://www.smh.com.au/comment/better-economic-days-ahead-sorry-not-yet-20171107-gzgzeg.html
    The Turnbull government’s hopes it can pass its landmark “super savers” scheme for first home buyers this year appear all but dashed. He’s not going well, is he?
    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/turnbull-governments-first-home-buyers-scheme-in-trouble-20171108-gzh447.html
    An analysis of 2016 Census employment figures by economists and planners SGS shows Australian cities are booming, as jobs growth languishes in regional areas.
    http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/inner-melbourne-jobs-boom-as-suburbs-stall-and-regions-languish-census-analysis-20171108-gzhc2s.html
    This SSM proponent is concerned about what will be the legislation that follows the survey.
    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/nov/08/we-deserve-a-resounding-yes-for-marriage-equality-not-half-measures
    The Paradise Papers show that the owner of one of Australia’s dirtiest coal-fired power plants quietly moved $1bn offshore within days of pocketing $117m from taxpayers in compensation for Labor’s now-defunct carbon tax.
    https://www.theguardian.com/news/2017/nov/08/coal-fired-plant-shifted-1bn-offshore-while-pocketing-117m-from-australian-taxpayers
    Trump copped a pasting in mid-term elections yesterday.
    http://www.smh.com.au/world/voter-deliver-first-forceful-rebuke-to-president-donald-trump-20171108-gzhk2k.html
    The SMH editorial says that Trump’s tour of Asia will be remembered for its consequences.
    http://www.smh.com.au/comment/smh-editorial/trumps-asia-tour-will-be-judged-by-whether-it-pressures-kim-into-talks-20171108-gzhdux.html
    Peter Martin reports that talks aimed at reviving the stalled Trans-Pacific Partnership between Australia and 10 other nations could add as much as $100 million to the cost of the Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme.
    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/reborn-trans-pacific-partnership-could-see-vital-subsidised-drugs-cost-more-20171108-gzheir.html
    Dutton’s logic may hold sway with Immigration, the courts and the military in PNG, where Australia’s $500 million in aid is on the line, but he can’t alter the facts of the abuse of refugees on Manus Island.
    https://independentaustralia.net/life/life-display/duttons-human-rights-abuses-on-manus-there-for-the-world-to-see,10909
    Nick McKim writes ‘Hartcher asks what the Greens and refugee activists hope to achieve on Manus Island. My answer is simple: the freedom and safety of every single detained person.’
    https://independentaustralia.net/life/life-display/nick-mckim-a-reply-to-peter-hartcher-on-the-manus-humanitarian-crisis,10908

  17. Section 3 . . .

    Madonna King writes about Anastacia’s big problem with Adani.
    http://www.smh.com.au/comment/that-thinking-feeling/annastacia-palaszczuks-adani-problem-20171108-gzhk80.html
    He’s back! Tony Abbott has delivered a blunt warning to the New South Wales Liberal party’s moderate faction that they would be doing “extraordinary … even terminal damage” if they opposed his efforts to democratise the party.
    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2017/nov/08/abbott-says-nsw-liberals-risk-terminal-damage-if-they-oppose-his-reforms
    South Australia’s renewables-heavy electricity market has been turned upside down, moving from importing power to exporting it, and from having some the most expensive wholesale prices in the country to having some of the cheapest. And all that appears to be a result of one gas deal secured by a generator that was blamed by many as a major cause of a blackout in SouthAustralia in February. Suck that up, Luddites!
    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2017/nov/08/south-australia-experiences-dramatic-fall-in-energy-costs-after-gas-deal
    The man named as the sole director of Salim Mehajer’s new wedding business venture has been charged with murder, following the execution-style killing of a former bikie associate. Something special is Mehajer!
    http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/director-of-salim-mehajer-wedding-venture-charged-over-bikie-murder-20171108-gzh6sw.html
    A bullet accompanied by a threatening note has been sent to Barnaby Joyce’s campaign office in Tamworth. We can do without this sort of stuff! Google.
    /national-affairs/death-threat-and-bullet-in-the-mail-for-barnaby/news-story/69eaf2e8d38cb8ecda2feb88be21ed96
    Nor do we need this!
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com.au/2017/11/08/right-wing-hate-group-targets-sam-dastyari-in-melbourne_a_23270511/?utm_hp_ref=au-homepage
    Canavan is a peasant!
    http://thenewdaily.com.au/news/queensland/2017/11/08/annastacia-palaszczuk-matt-canavan-adani-loan/
    An unhappy Michael West writes that high in their opulent CBD eyries, the architects of global tax avoidance must be indulging in a quiet chuckle, a nervous chuckle perhaps, because the media has once again missed the forest for the trees.
    https://www.michaelwest.com.au/paradise-papers-media-ignores-real-tax-culprits/
    Australia’s drugs and medical devices watchdog has denied it is too close to the industry or that receiving funding from health and medical companies is a conflict of interest, after its independence was questioned by health experts.
    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2017/nov/08/therapeutic-goods-administration-rejects-claims-it-is-too-close-to-medical-industry

  18. Section 4 . . .

    I hope all ISPs take note of this.
    http://www.smh.com.au/business/consumer-affairs/telstra-offering-compensation-to-42000-customers-over-slow-nbn-speeds-20171107-gzgybn.html
    The Australian Greens can be as anti-science as any of the major parties when the politics suit, writes Geoff Russell.
    https://newmatilda.com/2017/11/08/greens-at-a-fork-in-the-road-evidence-based-decisions-or-mob-rule/
    No punishment is severe enough for these bastards!
    http://www.smh.com.au/wa-news/last-member-of-evil-8-found-guilty-child-rapist-learns-fate-as-details-of-abuse-laid-bare-20171107-gzgmsl.html
    A former Commonwealth Bank financial planner has entered a guilty plea for forging documents, and will be sentenced next month.
    http://www.smh.com.au/business/banking-and-finance/former-cba-planner-ricky-david-gillespie-pleads-guilty-to-forgery-20171108-gzh24j.html
    $9.40 for a 15oz “pint” at the Adelaide Oval Test. And $5 for a bottle of water. Come on! Google.
    /news/south-australia/adelaide-oval-food-and-drink-prices-jacked-up-again-beers-now-940-a-pint/news-story/4f3845bebac06dab3b5c45723b5bcf06

  19. Section 5 . . . Cartoon Corner

    David Rowe and Trump’s Asian tour.

    Davis Pope accurately points the finger at Erica and the RWNJs’ rearguard action.
    http://www.smh.com.au/photogallery/federal-politics/cartoons/david-pope-20120214-1t3j0
    This is a beauty from Matt Golding!
    http://www.smh.com.au/photogallery/federal-politics/cartoons/matt-golding-20151124-gl6ndp.html
    John Shakespeare and Turnbull’s problem with trust.

    More from Shakespeare – this time on the exemplary teamwork within the Coalition.

    Cathy Wilcox has Turnbull telling Dutton where to get off.

    Jon Kudelka introduces parliamentary isolation tanks.
    http://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/ad9950ee4bb3828f60ce383caa2b640b
    Fiona Katauskas with a different sort of citizenship issue.

    Back at the Melbourne Cup with Peter Broelman.

    Paul Zanetti with the Battler Bus.

    From the US.

    Glen Le Lievre’s view of the “audit”.

    The world view of trickle-down economics.

    Matt Golding and a new tourist attraction in Canberra.

    Golding has Trump mixing up his speech notes.

    Golding with Turnbull’s many problems.

    Sean Leahy goes after Anastacia again.

    Alan Moir and the clock ticking down for Trump with the Russia issue.

    Mark Knight at a modern US church service.
    http://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/9e8068e73096c2db1bfb15ec58695174?width=1024

  20. So Barnaby received a bullet in the mail. allegedly from someone against Adani.

    Pffft.

    I’d say that ‘threat’ came straight from National Party campaign headquarters, as a stunt to get voters to believe anyone against mining is a violent lout.

    Remember, most of Barnaby’s competition this election, at least, the competition likely to attract disgruntled National voters, comes from candidates who are against mining and fracking, and especially against mining on the Liverpool Plains, something Barnaby seems to favour. Internal polling has probably shown he will lose votes to some of these candidates, so to be on the safe side the Nats cooked up a little stunt.That stunt allowed Barnaby to have a good rant about greenies, environmentalists and the Queensland government.

    Far-fetched? Not really. I’ve seen first hand some of the dirty tricks the Nats like to use in election campaigns. This one is right up their alley.

  27. The dual citizenship accusations are really getting silly.

    I have a lot of time for Jennifer Wilson, but this is one of the most stupid things I’ve seen lately.

    Turnbull must urgently clarify whether or not he is entitled to Israeli citizenship.
    https://noplaceforsheep.com/2017/11/08/turnbull-must-urgently-clarify-whether-or-not-he-is-entitled-to-israeli-citizenship/

    Let’s demolish that argument – it’s not hard to do. One little thing shoots it to pieces – the Law of Return says if a Jew has voluntarily changed his/her religion they are no longer considered a Jew and cannot return to Israel under the Law of Return provisions. To use Jennifer’s own link –
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_Return

    Obviously she just read a couple of sentences, leapt to a conclusion (the wrong one) and didn’t bother reading any further.

    For someone to claim Israeli citizenship under the Law of Return they first have to migrate to Israel – something else in that link Ms Wilson forgot to read. I don’t think Turnbull has any intention of moving to Israel. If he did want to do that and wanted to claim Israeli citizenship he’d have to convert to Judaiism first.

    Turnbull was never Jewish anyway, he was raised Presbyterian, to a family with a long tradition of following that faith, and changed to Catholicism for Lucy. His maternal grandmother may have been Jewish, but that faith certainly didn’t carry on to Turnbull. I suspect that claim was just one of those things Turnbull says to curry favour.
    http://tma.melbourneanglican.org.au/news-malcolm-turnbull-faith

    i’m over all this silly theorising about alleged dual citizenships. We went through it with Abbott, and he shot the conspiracy theorists down in flames. We went though it with Shorten, and he destroyed the claim too. Now we have this nonsense about Turnbull being a secret Israeli. FFS! Enough is enough!

  30. One person I never bother reading (sorry,BK) is Paula Matthewson. Why would I be interested in the rantings of a former Howard advisor?

    Paula is up to her usual abysmal standard here –

    After other tweeters informed her Dastyari was at the pub for a Politics in the Pub evening which had been advertised and was crashed by the loonies she deleted her tweet. But there are always screen shots.

    • Those Flanders fields are really good potato and sugar beet country. Must be a real strain not to plow them up for farmland and now some yobs on the other side of the world don’t want wind farms, they want that rich farmland to be totally unproductive.

      If Australia is in such a twit about windfarms impinging on the view, just but up all the effected land

    • billie

      I think France would be well aware of the Aussie govt’s views on “smelly” wind-turbines. True, foundations might unearth bones (sad) but they could be reburied in a cemetery.

  34. The AEC has been contacting a hall that serves as an election booth and where I do some volunteer work to check on facilities and availability for early December.
    The AEC has to try to be prepared so maybe not too much can be read into this but still interesting

  37. Pat Conroy–who hasn’t had any citizenship mentions.
    I read this as the possibility of a general election. But as I said in the earlier post it is normal for the AEC to go on a “war footing” if they deem it prudent.

    • The timeframe doesn’t fit with a general election, it’s much too short.

      Conroy’s father migrated to Australia, but there has been nothing said about Conroy’s citizenship, as you say.

    • “I am not in a position to agree to your proposition that only non-controversial legislation will be considered for the remainder of the year. While I appreciate the Government’s anxiety about control in the House of Representatives, I cannot agree to the Parliament not considering legislation and issues that are of prime importance to the Australian people while we wait on a result from the New England by-election”.

  44. tlbd

    Bill has been doing this for years, and would have had some hard bastards to negotiate with. There are no flys on him, and you certainly couldn’t see where they’ve been if there were.

    • Turnbull has no negotiating skills, he just expects everyone will do as he tells them because he’s rich and he’s better than everyone else – in his mind, anyway.

  50. http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opinion/march-minielection-on-the-cards/news-story/06681ede39a69e287fc5834a01f885b4 paywalled, google the URL

    (Here is a sample, I think David is right and there won’t be a general election, but could be a bunch of by-elections at the same time. Only the PM can call a general election, and there is no way he will.)

    The Australian
    12:00AM November 9, 2017
    David Crowe Political correspondent Canberra

    Get ready for a March election. Federal parliament is now on course for a verdict from voters early in the new year to make or break the Turnbull government.

    This does not mean a general election. Instead, the parliament faces a series of by-elections that are likely to be held on the same day for the same reason: a High Court decision that disqualifies a new batch of politicians.

    March 24 is a clear option but the timing could stretch into April or beyond, since the date and scale of this “mini-election” is almost entirely in the hands of the court.

    In theory, there may be no by-elections at all. In practice, there is a strong case for several MPs to be referred to the High Court and there is an obvious prospect that some will be disqualified and forced to the ballot box.

    This will be very different to a standard by-election, where Australians know they can give the government a belting without bringing the government undone.

    The stakes will be higher and the campaign will be national. In a plausible scenario, voters will be casting their verdicts on MPs in several states and in electorates that range from cities to the ­regions. Votes will be cast in the full knowledge they will decide who governs the country.

    Talk of a general election, an idea suggested by independent Andrew Wilkie if more than two or three MPs are disqualified, is overblown. There are no grounds for the governor-general to dissolve the House of Representatives. The by-elections must come first.

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