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Good morning Dawn Patrollers.
Ross Gittins on why Treasury is wrong on debt and deficit.
http://www.smh.com.au/business/the-economy/why-treasury-is-wrong-on-deficits-and-debt-20160813-gqrsdx.html
Urban Wronski – the Turnbull government is in diabolical trouble. OUCH!
https://urbanwronski.com/2016/08/14/turnbull-government-in-diabolical-trouble/
Here’s the new political landscape emerging. Charming stuff!
http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/wake-up-aussies-farright-pauline-hanson-supporters-dressed-as-muslims-storm-church-20160814-gqsclh.html
And in the US?
http://www.smh.com.au/world/muslim-cleric-killed-in-brazen-daylight-shooting-on-new-york-street-20160813-gqs0g8.html
The tide seems to be turning against the ubiquitous Tom Waterhouse.
http://www.smh.com.au/business/tom-waterhouse-admits-his-sports-betting-brand-was-highly-polarising-20160812-gqrbmx.html
The Premiers attack Turnbull’s latest “thought bubble” on GST foe WA.
http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/malcolm-turnbull-flags-change-to-gst-formula-for-states-but-premiers-push-back-20160814-gqs6sg.html
A new sport in Sydney – Opal running.
http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/opal-runners-keep-swiping-for-free-travel-despite-attempt-to-close-loophole-20160808-gqnlv6.html
Our offshore detention in upsetting a number of our friends.
http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/australia-has-lost-moral-compass-over-immigration-detention-new-zealand-opposition-20160814-gqs493.html
The UK government is in chaos as Brexit looms.
http://www.smh.com.au/world/brexit-could-be-delayed-until-2019-as-uk-government-in-disarray-20160814-gqsd1y.html
NSW local government is so riven with political and corruption problems that the ALP has set up an ethics school for candidates.
http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/scandal-school-for-alp-councillors-20160814-gqs6an.html
Section 2 . . . with Cartoon Corner
Dave Donovan and our “Mal-administration”. It’s not a pretty picture.
https://independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/the-mal-administration,9354
Labor will agitate for a Senate inquiry into the leaked Nauru incident reports.
http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/labor-to-push-for-senate-inquiry-into-nauru-detention-centre-incident-report-leaks-20160813-gqs09e.html
They are certainly turning up the heat on Nauru.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/aug/14/nauru-inquiry-should-look-at-whether-abuse-reports-were-investigated-labor
Bruce McAveney is facing a difficult task in calling the men’s 100 metres race at the Olympics.
http://www.theage.com.au/sport/olympics/rio-2016/sevens-bruce-mcavaney-fears-mens-100m-will-have-a-smell-over-it-if-justin-gatlin-wins-at-rio-olympics-20160812-gqrobn.html
Looks like the Liberals and the BCA may no longer be besties. Google.
/opinion/columnists/business-under-attack-as-bcas-catherine-livingstone-speaks-out-postelection-20160814-gqs0ts
Mark Knight at the Olympics with two mega-champions.


http://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/3993b097bf4cabd42ccc3d0c048df557
A telling contribution from Mark David.
David Rowe on the Nauru situation.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CpzkpeyVUAAIyN7.jpg:large
A good cartoon from the US.
http://www.miamiherald.com/opinion/editorial-cartoons/jim-morin/i5f4mv/picture95392322/ALTERNATES/FREE_960/jm081416_COLOR_Trump_Sarcasm_Insults
Alan Moir with Turnbull’s difficult road ahead.
My brain is not in gear this morning, I don’t get the Knight cartoon. 😦
Phelps and Bolt.
A cartoon from the UK that could apply to re recent decision about the Chinese power company.
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Two greats finishing their Olympic careers. Swimming is over, Phelps has bowed out and now it is athletics and Usain Bolt entering for the last time..
Let the 18C Games begin. Good luck Truffles 🙂 .Paywalled , use Google trick
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/state-politics/senator-urges-axing-of-discrimination-acts-insult-and-offend/news-story/7e865d0783673e29b2dffac9345ff4f5
They are a touchy lot, these right-wing nutjobs.
Litigation seems to be their favourite hobby. Say something unflattering (or even just true) about them and they call in the lawyers.
Yesterday it was the One Nation idiot lawyering up because people said things he didn’t like.
WA’s One Nation senator-elect Rod Culleton sues over Facebook posts
http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/western-australia/was-one-nation-senatorelect-rod-culleton-sues-over-facebook-posts/news-story/c0423a4442795ffa6b240e66adcb2abc
Party for Freedom – the right-wing nutters/terrorists who invaded Gosford Anglican Church yesterday –
How ridiculous. They use the word ‘freedom’ but deny it to anyone who does not adhere to their narrow-minded views.
Have a look at their website, if you can do it without feeling sick to your stomach.
https://www.partyforfreedom.org.au/
The first few items are enough to bring on the nausea – a few praising Hanson, who seems to be their patron saint, a piece of nonsense about ‘halal animal cruelty’ and the best/worst bit, notice of a ‘Trump Patriots BBQ’ “a family event for Donald TRUMP supporters and like-minded people and families to come together in a show of solidarity for TRUMP” held last month. I wonder if these patriots/wanna-be yanks realise they don’t actually get to vote for their hero?
This rubbish, this open hatred of anyone who is not white, Anglo and Christianist is what we get when haters and bigots like Hanson are allowed to spruik their rubbish without any criticism from those who are allegedly running this country, or from journalists, who are still telling us we must respect Hanson because she is an elected senator. (The same mob did not show any respect whatsoever for Julia Gillard, so why are they so protective of Hanson?).
One thing really deserves some criticism. Hanson and her acolytes and Jacquie Lambie as well, keep yammering on about ‘Sharia Law’ (or ‘Shari Law’, in Lambie’s case) taking over our legal system if we keep allowing Muslim immigration. It’s complete and utter garbage, shows how deeply ignorant these people are, but their claims are never refuted, they are never asked to explain how that is going to happen, they are never mocked. Why?
If you or I wrote a perfect;y sensible, well-researched piece saying right-wing nutters were dictating government policy, and managed to get it published on the front page of the SMH, or The Guardian, we would be ridiculed by all the usual suspects. But Hanson, Lambie and the rest get up in election campaigns and rant on about ‘stopping’ Sharia Law as part of their policy and no-one says nothing. Instead the usual suspects report it all. word for word, never criticise these outlandish claims and never realise they are just spreading this rubbish around, tacitly approving it, supporting extreme views.
Thanks to a compliant MSM and a weak government afraid of alienating extreme right-wingers we are going to see a lot more decent people terrorised as they go about their daily lives. People abused and attacked simply because their views are more reasonable, more open-minded, more humane, more intelligent than the narrow, ignorant views of the nutters who say they want ‘freedom’ yet want to force their views on us all.. These bigots cannot even be honest in the name they have chosen for their hate group. They don’t want ‘freedom’. They want freedom from immigrants who do not look just like them and think just like them. Make no mistake, these people are the real terrorists in our midst.
So anyone who opposes immigration is a terrorist?
And people wonder why idiots like Hanson, Lambie and Trump gain traction with large sections of the population.
Not what I was saying.
i’ll try to make it clear.
People who oppose immigration – unless the immigrants are white folks who share their beliefs – are increasingly resorting to terrorist-type activities. They are threatening to bomb mosques, accumulating weapons, frightening people at a Sunday morning church service because their minister, a true Christian, not a Christianist nutter, supports humane treatment of asylum seekers, staging rallies to protest against ‘multiculturalism’ and more. They are becoming terrorists.
Anyone screaming about the need to stop immigration, or limit it only to those they consider ‘like us’, as the Party for Freedom does, has no understanding of the history of this nation. We are all of us, unless we are of pure indigenous blood, immigrants or the descendants of immigrants, and a good percentage of those immigrants were not from the UK, or white, or Christian. I just don’t understand all this hatred of ‘others’, I really don’t.
How’s this for thrill seeking!
No thanks. No way!
Thanks for the cartoon explanation. As we haven’t been following the Olympics I was unaware of the importance.
Now, if anyone has a very sharp chainsaw, could they please come and cut Razz foot off at the neck. Can’t get into the doctor until 5.20 this afternoon, bloody government.
From an Industrial Relations/Discipline perspective, which requires the application of Natural Justice and Administrative Fairness, it is a no-no to announce the penalty before even the investigation has begun. “A penalty in search of a victim” is often ruled out as a valid reason for dismissal.
Thus, anyone in the ranks who gets fired over the ABS debacle would have a reasonable case that an investigation with an adverse outcome resulting in their dismissal, carried out pursuant to the Prime Minister’s demand for “heads to roll”, is a highly arguable case of unfairness.
“Scape-goating”, “victimization”, “mobbing” and “vexatious” are words that come to mind.
However, the usual rules of Discipline that apply to lesser mortals in Public Service employment, do not always apply to Chief Executive Officers and certain members of the senior executive of the organization. These people get paid big money to take the job at the risk of being fired for political reasons (e.g. “embarrassing the government” is a phrase you often see) and are often specifically excluded from “normal” disciplinary rules. Their high compensation (with large payout figures) reflects the inherent dangers of their being the handiest, most senior person on which to place blame.
So, unless there has been indefensible and extremely serious misconduct on behalf of one or more underlings, up to middle management – say fraud, favouritism, gross neglect, refusal to obey direction etc. – it’s the Fat Cats who will most likely cop it in the neck.
You wouldn’t like to be in their shoes, because surely botching an Australian Census is right “up there” in the ranks of “career-ending moves”. You’d be lucky to get a job doing spreadsheets for the Oodnadatta Municipal Council after that (no offence to Oodnadatta).
She came last in her 400m heat, but this lady is an Aussie knockout. Beautiful smile, good attitude, and takes disappointment gracefully. She’ll go far. Morgan Mitchell.
Broelman combines two big issues –
At least we now know what made the Olympic pools turn green.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-08-14/rio-green-fart-olympic-pool-caused-by-hydrogen-peroxide-algae/7732596
The Fizza government is still making up excuses for the census failure.
How odd … I’ve just received an emailed advert from Dick Smith’s – an establishment I believed had been driven bankrupt last year.
Following the advert I finally work out that it is not a phoenix but a zombie with Kogan.com behind it.
I think I would rather go straight to Kogan’s if I were to use their services (at least I can get ‘flyby points’ if I want them) *snidely*
http://www.smh.com.au/world/us-election/running-mate-pence-wedges-trump-by-offering-to-release-his-own-tax-returns-20160814-gqsfk1.html
I reckon Hilary will end up running against Pence – either Trump will have a massive hissy fit and quit for some manufactured reason (rather than suffer massive electoral defeat) or the the GOP will finally reach their limit and dis-endorse him (I admit to having no knowledge of the legalities of this). The least disruptive option is to endorse Pence and find another VP candidate. He’ll probably still lose, but if he saves GOP from total disaster he will be presumptive nominee in 2020.
Labour day is seen as a significant milestone is US general election schedule, so expect some fireworks around first w/e in Sept….
I really admire Adelinde for giving up the games to protect her horse:
http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2016/08/12/sick-horse-olympics_n_11473186.html
A bit about the ‘Party for Freedom’.
A chap called Nick Folkes started the party. He used to be a spokesperson for a grubby little party called the Australian Protectionist Party.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_Protectionist_Party
That party has fallen apart and Folkes has started up his Party for Freedom, pretty much a branch of One Nation, devoted to racism, hating Muslims, stopping anyone but white English speakers from migrating to Australia, whining about the uN and other typical right-wing nuttery like ‘protecting the Australian way of life’, whatever that means.
Their Facebook page today is full of self-congratulatory videos and photos of yesterday’s nonsense at Gosford.
https://www.facebook.com/partyforfreedom.aust/about/?entry_point=page_nav_about_item&tab=page_info
The latest post is about the party’s plans for 30 August. Folkes wants his members to turn up to the senate on 30 August, to listen to Hanson’s ‘maiden speech’ and those of the other One Nation senators.
This show just how ignorant these people really are. The first senate sitting day will not include first speeches by anyone – they are no longer referred to as ‘maiden speeches’. Folkes and his supporters will be travelling to Canberra and infesting the senate gallery to be bored witless by speeches from the GG, confirmation of party leaders in the senate and all the other housekeeping that takes place on the first sitting day of a new parliament. It could be days, or weeks, or maybe even months before Hanson and her senators get to make their first speeches. These speeches are slotted into the senate timetable whenever there is space, and it can take a long time to get around to them. Ricky Muir did not get to make his first speech until March last year, 8 months after he took his senate seat.
I’ve been saying Hanson seems to have no idea about what will be involved in her work as a senator. It seems her supporters are just as ignorant.
Ignorant, sums it up perfectly.
This is a hoot –
Pauline Hanson. Pauline Hanson Says A New Toilet Could Destroy ‘Australian Way Of Life’
https://newmatilda.com/2016/08/15/pauline-hanson-says-a-new-toilet-could-destroy-australian-way-of-life/
And some facts –
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/leader/east/squat-toilets-in-australian-taxation-offices-box-hill-office-cater-to-diverse-workforce/news-story/fa3035d23581f65f79510e5c45899f05
I must say these squat toilets are the most revolting toilets you can imagine. I’ve seen them so many times in Paris (not in recent times) . They smell and are never clean. I can’t understand how anyone could prefer such primitive things. In my view they should all be banned. People would quickly get used to the more “decent” ones. They would also keep their shoe soles clean as it is sometimes difficult to find a clean spot.
I’ve never used one, or even seen one. They sound dreadful. I’m told you can’t flush the toilet paper you use (and not just because not all squat toilets have a flush), it goes into a basket or other container. After use. Eek!
It reminds me of the scene in Gerald Durrell’s My Family and Other animals, where the family have just arrived in Crete and Margo, the older sister, says she used the toilet paper provided in the ‘little box’ and is then, to her horror, told what that box really contained.
I used one, in France on the way by bus from Calais to Paris. It was clean and flushable but I would not rush to repeat the experience. Especially now as if I could get into a squat there is no guarantee I coulod get out of it!
Day and Lambie running true to form. Definitely not one out and one back
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/aug/15/senate-inquiry-into-nauru-child-abuse-allegations-likely-after-crossbenchers-indicate-support
Lambie didn’t mind any sympathy she could get when she announced her son’s addiction.
The debacle that was continues
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-08-15/sydney-siege-inquest-probes-email-sent-by-commissioner/7735860
Okay folks, you can cancel the chainsaws for the time being. We went down to the community nurse. He was great. Talked Razz into going to A&E, there and then. He charmed Razz so much she actually agreed. 🙂 Five and a bit hours, an intravenous dose of antibiotics, Hospital in the Home organised, and we are in time to watch Bold and Ugly or whatever it is called.
Had to do a detour on the way home due to an accident at the top of the Sandhill, having lived in this area on and off for over forty years, I didn’t even know the detour road existed!! It was a very pretty drive but I was anxious I would miss the vital turn offs, but we made it okay. 🙂
Well thank goodness that has been sorted. You had me worried, especially with all that talk about cutting off the foot.
Test
RNM 1953,
Testy, testing, or trying??
Dutton could be in a spot of bother –
Child abuse royal commission investigating immigration department
Inquiry says it is looking into department’s response to allegations of child sexual abuse in detention centres and is yet to decide if hearings are needed
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/aug/15/child-abuse-royal-commission-investigating-immigration-department?CMP=soc_567
And Fairfax has joined the revelations.
Rudd and Abbott were warned PNG detention plan was unconstitutional in 2013
http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/rudd-and-abbott-were-warned-png-detention-plan-was-unconstitutional-in-2013-20160815-gqsjae.html
The snowball is rolling.
Then, again …
Leone
Razz says the foot is still hanging around at the moment. Sorry to give you a fright, Razz has a wicked sense of humour, it is best not to get too stressed when she mentions chainsaws and stuff. Apologies for upsetting you.
If it were really REALLY serious you wouldn’t be on the web.
I appreciate your letting us in in your gentle humorous way.
Drinking game coming up folks –
Q&A
On the panel: Science superstar Brian Cox; Minister for Industry, Innovation and Science Greg Hunt; Shadow Minister for Human Services Linda Burney; One Nation senator-elect Malcolm Roberts and mathematician Lily Serna.
So every time you hear the words “Empirical evidence” you know what to do.
I don’t think Mad Mal understands what ’empirical evidence’ means. He just thinks using words with more than one syllable makes him sound learned. He probably manages to fool One Nation voters easily. Some of them, including their leader, can barely speak a coherent sentence of one-syllable words.
Truffles’ claimed “empiracle evidence” would no doubt crash and burn at the first hurdle……………..
http://www.livescience.com/21456-empirical-evidence-a-definition.html
I shall watch.
Brian Cox is wonderful.
Linda Burney is the goods.
Lily Serna I haven’t seen since she was on Letters and Numbers. She was doing modelling on the motion of pollutants on the GBF.
The Government’s ABC will have a hard job keeping their two boys’ heads above water.
I’ll be watching too. Brian Cox is one of my fav’s. He is from the same home town that I came from.
You are effing kidding me. Malcolm Roberts in on Q&A as well? That man has been given more prime real estate on the ABC since the election than any other politician. He’s been on everything possible now. He’s an idiot with nothing useful to add to the political conversation, voices like his need to be kept out of the mainstream of political conversation because all they can do is derail. And they’ve been pandering to him for two weeks now!
You wonder why our politics is in such a mess? It’s because our media – not just our commercial media but the station many still rely on to direct the national viewpoint – are more interested in a freakshow than a proper discussion.
It makes me furious.
It’s Jones, Grunt and Roberts versus the rest.
Brian and (?) Lily will be very polite. Linda won’t.
If it weren’t Jones holding the gavel (and all the backroom boys vetting the questions) it would be a KO within the 15 (minutes).
Hi Fiona,
I had a glitch in my computer the other day. I started posting something on The Pub and I had to sign in etc. Maybe I ticked a wrong box but every post on The Pub by all contributors is sent to my email. I’ve signed in a couple of times and made sure that the notify box is not ticked but I’m still getting the emails.That Test post was to see if I received my own comments. I don’t but the problem remains.
And here’s something else I’m furious about:
There’s no excuse for this, and it’s been a long time coming. You literally cannot watch sport – any form of sport – these days without saturation advertising for gambling companies. The aim was to ‘normalise’ gambling as an essential element of sports spectating, and they’ve achieved it.
They used to have ads which claimed that you’re not really a sports fan unless you have a bet. I refuse to bet on anything these days, and it dates from the time I first saw one of those ads. It’s a pity, because having the odd bet used to be fun, but nowadays I feel like a traitor for even considering it. I just don’t want to let these bullies and thugs have a cent of my money.
I heard stories – over at the other site I frequent – about guys who had their on-line odds adjusted without their knowledge because they’re regulars who win a fair bit. They found out because mates of theirs were getting juicier odds than they were. They were also prevented from betting on certain things, and when they complained about it were told (eventually) that the sports agencies “aren’t in the business of giving money away”. The line was something like “We’re supposed to make a profit, not you.”
It’s a massive rort.
Also, check that tweet out. First response is commenting on how horrible it is, and there’s a reply to it from a bot from a gambling site account. So basically, you’ve got gambling sites screening Twitter for gambling-related tweets, so they can direct advertising to them, regardless of what the subject matter of that tweet is.
Did you know that all this money to child-care centres is going to “Islamic State”?
The Liberal Party Half-hour.
John Dawe talking to someone who has told him what to say, or not
http://www.markpack.org.uk/142467/clarke-and-dawe-caveat-emptor/
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/aug/15/eric-abetz-says-the-phrase-angry-white-man-is-racial-vilification
And, Erica, this lady is a lot more attractive than you.
I have photos of the Grey Glacier. None as good as this.
Malcolm Roberts – conspiracy theorist, nutter, serial pest.
Australia’s New Climate Science Denialist Senator Malcolm Roberts Has A History of Harassing Academics
http://www.desmogblog.com/2016/08/11/australia-s-new-climate-science-denialist-senator-malcolm-roberts-has-history-harassing-academics
https://www.crikey.com.au/2016/08/15/kennett-tries-to-rescue-adam-giles-govt/ worth a read, no paywall
http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/cabinet-to-review-queenslands-treeclearing-laws/news-story/745fd350a2b6574c04f2c649ff7cc058 free
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/aug/13/from-the-rich-black-soil-of-the-liverpool-plains-springs-hope-for-coalmine-free-future
https://theconversation.com/on-nanny-states-and-race-leyonhjelm-exposes-the-moral-thinness-of-libertarianism-43916
The problem with conviction politicians is that not many are serving sentences.
I treat “empirical evidence” as lots of “stuff” being around.
It is collected (“empirically”) evidence which has not been tested.
“Circumstantial evidence”?
Strayan photographer took a great photo of Bolt in the semis. Encapsulates his dominance against the ‘mere mortals’.
Had some additions since then…..

Three Olympics running. I call drugs out.
Wakey, wakey!
With Mr Jacqueline du Pré
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ORHVroiWHk
Have a Ravel drummer other than the usual one we seee
https://youtu.be/3KgpEru9lhw
I love a bet on horse-racing, football and politics to the point where it is a business and I must regularly interact with corporate bookmakers.
However, on the subject of corporate bookmakers I could write a thick negative pamphlet.
They are basically foreign owned cartels and through amalgamations and takeovers etc they are small in numbers but huge in size and power and appear to have little effective regulation and are law unto themselves.
In a short period corporate bookmakers have basically destroyed horse racing in Australia especially in the country.
I have met with the Victorian State Attorney General and Minister for Sport in the last year to inform him of the impact of a corporate bookmaker and the potential for corruption and he didn’t want to hear me out.
Us: Gambling is ruing a lot of lives in Australia
Pollie: I am as worried as you (that would be on a good day) but I can do nowt about it (= depunt the punters and we are out of office).
I’ll watch 4C when they “do” refugees wanting to come to Australia.
The bolero of Ravel has an interesting story
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bol%C3%A9r
My favourite Ravel is this.
https://youtu.be/VjRo4uoCjxw
It is so reminiscent of Igor Stravinsky’ Rite of Spring.
tlbd
Are you asking how Razz acquired her wicked sense of humour or why her foot is hanging in there? I’m about to toddle off to bed, but will respond tomorrow.
Not asking or being solicitous.
Just saying.
Pollie : wasn’t concerned at all and in fact broadly claimed the corporates were beneficial for the state
Us : gambling ‘ruing’ lives as does many things
I got one of these trees last weekend.
Pure indulgence for me.
Magnolia Royal Purple

Boy, did that grow!
How did you do it?
That’s what the actress said to the bishop!
Must be someone high up when he was talking about his prowess with children.
Those noses do, don’t they?
Mad Mal doesn’t believe the figures on abuse on Nauru because –
He has talked to Hanson about it and she has talked to a former guard who said reports are exaggerated. No doubt the ‘guard’ is one of her reclaim Australia mates.
He has also talked to Chris Kenny who he says told him the reports are exaggerated.
The abuse, he believes, is coming from the families themselves. Probably he bases that on something his sister’s best friend’s auntie’s cousin was told by someone who once went out with a former lover of a guard who was once on Nauru.
Tony Jones is giving Mad Mal more time than anyone else. He cut off Brian Cox so MM could spruik his rubbish.
Brian Cox is awesome!
Mad Mal is now trying to prove him wrong. The audience is laughing at him, Tony Jones tells them to shut up so everyone can hear what MM says because ‘it’s important’. FFS!
Yep!
You HAVE to watch this AandA.
Termorra.