Safe Rates Fiasco

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How did it all come to this. Libs sticking up for labor voting truck drivers, while labor are sticking up for big business.Every owner driver says that this law that labor brought in and are still pushing for is a bad piece of legislation.

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It has been wrapped up under a banner of safety and looking after drivers.Pay them more and drivers wont have to work so hard is ridiculous and will do nothing to alter the road toll. Most of the accidents involving trucks are caused by car drivers doing stupid things and most of the trucks that are involved belong to Non owner drivers that this legislation doesn’t affect.

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Safe rates legislation was intended at its start was all about the the big 2 Woolies and Coles demanding set delivery times and then penalising drivers if late.For example say a driver had a load from Sydney to the Brisbane distribution centre at  he his set a specific unload time within 30 mins.

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That is leave Sydney at 12.00am be in Bris at 11.00pm +-30 mins. Miss that slot and you are put in a holding pattern. ,No excuses. Accidents, road closures floods etc, be there at your allocated time or get put into the pattern. Now for drivers with the major companies they were on a hourly rate and got paid for waiting anyway but subbie Owner drivers are paid to deliver the load ,so if they s miss the slot they have to wait …Depending on how urgent they want the goods on the truck you could be stuck there for anything up to 24 hrs. You can,t leave your truck in case you get called up and all this time is unpaid and the return load that you had lined up has gone to someone else because you are stuck in the line, If you can,t find a return load it becomes a expensive trip home.

So labor came up with safe rates and at first was a pretty good piece of legislation.Make Coles and Woolies pay for the truckies time waiting to be unloaded, and take into account road closures, floods etc. all pretty sensible stuff and supported by most people. I can guarantee you that the distribution centres would operate a lot more efficiently if they had to pay for waiting times.

What has come now is nothing like what was intended. Owner drivers AND ONLY OWNER DRIVERS have to charge so called safe rates determined by the RSRT. They have a neat calculator for you to work out how much you have to charge.

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http://www.saferates.com.au/Calculators/TruckOperatingCostCalculator/tabid/535/Default.aspx

I had a little play around with it and If I charged what the calculator tells me to charge I would have gone broke in about a month. There is no allowance for back loads where you just want to cover your fuel expenses to get back to do another full load. Particularity important if you are hauling to north qld were there is a lot of freight going up but not much coming back. I could always rely on the aluminium smelter at Gladstone for a load home as they used Owner drivers all the time to take freight back to Brisbane. I have heard that they will no longer use Owner Drivers because of what they have to charge. Instead the will use toll or one of the other bigger companies that are not affected by safe rates.

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And that is the major problem.

Single Owner- Drivers are the only ones affected by this . They have to charge what they are told and if they don,t they face a $52.000 fine.Bigger companies with employed drivers are not affected. They can charge what they want. So Billy Blogs wants someone to take a load from Brisbane to Sydney . He rings a owner driver that he has worked with before and says how much mate? same as last time? Nope says OD will now cost almost double than last time,Billy then rings large company asks how much and is nearly $1000 cheaper. Who do you think will get the job.It is blatantly unfair for owner drivers to be forced to charge exorbitant rates while others are under no such obligation. It will drive single owner operators out of business while increasing business for the others.

Why are only owner drivers being singled out. They have invested heavily in a truck.found work,built up relationships with clients and now they are being forced out of business. This has zero to do with safety and more to do with giving the big boys more work. Owner drivers look after there trucks and take more care of them then payed drivers. If there trucks aren’t working they get no pay while the other drivers just jump in another fleet truck.

As it stands now it looks like the RSRT will be abolished which in my opinion is a good thing. I hope if Labor win the next election that when they get to reintroducing the legislation it is in a vastly different form than what was established . Everyone is concerned about making our roads safer, ,especially the drivers that go out to work every day and night knowing that one mistake can cost them their lives ,but to penalise one section of the industry is not the way to do it.

 

 

837 thoughts on “Safe Rates Fiasco”

  1. Another Labor policy for Waffles to copy –

    Labor would impose night time ‘no fly zones’ at Badgerys Creek Creek if they win election

    LABOR will impose a night time “no fly zone” over western Sydney communities as part of its Badgerys Creek airport plan if it wins government.

    This would effectively ban flights in and out of the airport over residential areas at night.

    But it would ensure the airport remains a 24 hour operation with any night time flights restricted to only taking off and landing to the south west over unpopulated areas.

    The plan would virtually eliminate any aircraft noise issues over residential areas in western Sydney and still allow 24 hour a day flight services

    http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/labor-would-impose-night-time-no-fly-zones-at-badgerys-creek-creek-if-they-win-election/news-story/8a242134d6c5e853549e9492979a8e8c

    South-west of Badgerys Creek is not exactly ‘unpopulated’ though. There will still be a lot of people under the flight path at night. But they all live in Anus Taylor’s electorate of Hume, so ………….

  3. Leone

    Are you able to go to this? Should be good.

    • I’d love to, but it’s a three hour-and-a-bit drive, over the mountains, and an overnight stay, so not possible.

  4. Shorten said common sense was a good guide of who was rich and where the tax burden should fall on.

    “I respect people who are successful in life and have amassed a good pile of money. It’s not just about simply increasing taxes,” he said.

    “But in this country at the moment we spend more on taxpayer subsidies on negative gearing than higher education – is that the sort of country we want to be?”

    http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/apr/21/bill-shorten-says-royal-commission-should-ask-if-bank-staff-pressured-to-extend-credit

  5. OK I can report on Waffle’s presentation:

    1. potted history of the internet that Malcolm invented.
    2. telling us stuff we already know about the internet that Malcolm invented.
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    5. The gov’t will help protect us from very bad people on the internet by offering us something to check our computers.
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    I missed the rest because I was reading Pollbludger comments on the latest bludgertrack (50.1-49.9 to Coalition). it was either that or go to sleep from Waffles droning voice.

    • Now, she’d be the person with that amazing track record of keeping Abbott in power, right? Dragging his party’s 2PP down by about 6% and helping his personal ratings fall through the floor? Saw Abbott nearly beaten by an empty chair, and then six months later let him lose to Turnbull?

      She sounds like a great idea. I’m sure Turnbull would love to have her on board.

    • Well she was Waffles’ deputy CoS staff when he was LOTO, so why not.

      For a while I’ve been thinking this lousy farce of a government did better when Peta was holding the reins, or the whip, or whatever tool of punishment she used to keep the pack in line. Since she left the whole shambles has really turned into a heap of ordure – a bigger heap than it was before, I mean.

  11. You just can’t make this stuff up department. The federal government’s plans for energy ‘innovation’ – dig up more coal.

    This farce of a government wants to build a whopping huge coal-fired power station in Queensland to provide electricity for among other things, a coal mine that doesn’t exist yet and probably will never exist. The coal from the mine will be used to fuel the power station that will provide electricity for the mine that digs up the coal to provide the fuel for the power station that provides the electricity for the mine that digs up the coal for the power station ……..

    My head hurts from the sheer stupidity.

    FFS! Why do this?

    It gets even more stupid – this pointless power station is to be built using, in part, funds from the Clean Energy Finance Corporation. And this, people, is a serious election policy from the Turnbull government.

    You just can’t make up stuff like this, not even if you try.

    Coalition wants to build 1.2GW coal plant, using climate funds
    http://reneweconomy.com.au/2016/coalition-wants-to-build-1-2gw-coal-plant-using-climate-funds-73755

  12. The MSM tell us Sophie Mirabella has changed.

    No she hasn’t. She’s just as vile as ever.

    Out of my way!

    Former member for Indi Sophie Mirabella in spat with current member Cathy McGowan
    It seems election fever has struck with a vengeance, with a cacophony of politicians attending the opening of the new wing at Cooinda Village by Federal Liberal MP Ken Wyatt last week.

    The former member for Indi and now Liberal candidate for the seat, Sophie Mirabella, took exception to the current Member for Indi, Cathy McGowan, asking to have her photo taken with Mr Wyatt in front of the Cooinda plaque commemorating the opening.

    Mrs Mirabella very publicly pushed Ms McGowan out of the way to obstruct the photo being taken.

    All politicians had been invited by Cooinda Village to attend.

    Ms McGowan did get her photo with the rather bewildered Mr Wyatt, but not in front of the plaque

    http://www.mmg.com.au/local-news/benalla/out-of-my-way-1.109114

    Love the empty chair – no-one wanted to sit next to Sophie.

  13. Gigilene, re the Hijab campaign.

    I appreciate what that campaign is trying to achieve however I firmly believe that any western woman who chooses to wear a hijab in an attempt to support muslim women is misguided at best.

    It is okay for western women in places like Australia, the US and France to virtue signal and attempt to try and show solidarity but I do not believe that most muslim women in the west and particularly the islamic world who wear a hijab are doing so voluntarily despite what some privileged westernised muslim women claim.

    I find it insulting in the extreme that these women act as if it is just an example of women having power and making a conscientious informed decision to wear a hijab.
    That may well be true for some muslim women who live in western countries however I do not think it can be argued that in many if not most cases this decision is imposed on them by men following the dictates of a terribly misogynistic religion.

    It is also grossly insulting to the women in places like Pakistan who dare to not wear a religiously and male enforced head covering and risk having acid thrown into their faces as a consequence..

    France was absolutely correct to ban this mostly enforced and isolating religious practice because that is essentially what it is.
    IMO It is to be hoped that many other western countries follow their example.

    I am well aware of the difference between the hijab, burqua and naqib.
    They are all anti women and any western woman showing support for muslim women by wearing a hijab is essentially supporting the subjugation and second class treatment of women.

    It is not a practice that should be celebrated or supported.

    • I am in conflict over this too, but as the burka, hijab etc topic has been taken over by anti-Muslim forces, I cannot enter into a debate over the feminist, historical, cultural, sociological or anthropological aspects of this. To do so would leave my words open to being misunderstood, misappropriated or worse, a few taken out of the context of a three thousand word essay and twitterised into an opposite meaning.

      Therefore, I will respect any individual woman’s decision to wear it and leave it at that. As a non-Muslim it is hardly my business anyway.

  14. Ctar1 @ 12:19
    When the story of Mitsubishi’s safety issues cover-ups blew in 2003 (three years after I left MMAL) or thereabouts the Japanese government came looking for me seeing I had carriage of the responsibility of investigation and action on all potential and real safety problems in Australia for over a decade. Our performance in this regard was exemplary.
    Fortunately they must have agreed because I heard no more of it.
    It is a strange culture in Japan where the government there effectively punished and humiliated car companies for having too many recalls. So what do you think was a significant driver in the cover up behaviour?
    I remember having to fly up to Tokyo to front a government shitkicker to be told not to do it again after we conducted a recall of several hundred cars for a quite minor indirect safety issue. It was, to me laughable, but not for the Japanese people who accompanied me. There obsequiousness under the circumstances was laughable.

    • Kenny has also written an article pondering whether this election is a re-run of the Howard-Latham battle. If you ever wondered what it was like to read a man stretching a point out of pure desperation, this is the one to read. He didn’t even manage to make a point out of it, just observations that because Turnbull is rattled by Shorten and Shorten is making all the running, you could – if you squint really hard and turn your head on its side – pretend it was 2004 again.

      Of course you could also pretend it’s 2007, but Kenny didn’t go there for some reason.

      And I just bet Kenny took his cue from Turnbull saying “Who do you trust…” in QT the other day. Though he didn’t mention that in the article either, because from Turnbull the question sounds like self-parody.

      I wasn’t going to link it, but maybe it’s worth looking at to see just how far Kenny has sunk in his desperation to find something to hang his hopes on. Here it is:

      http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/federal-election-2016-opinion/are-we-seeing-a-replay-of-the-mark-latham-and-john-howard-battle-20160421-goc2p3.html

  21. Sophie says she didn’t do it. I know whose story I believe. And there were witnesses.

  22. Bk

    I understand. I got critised about the best Swan & Hunter could do,

    117,000 million pounds. And f’cking Argentinians kept sinking them.

    But the way was made.

  23. Yes well, we couldn’t have that could we?

    Bill Shorten has written to Malcolm Turnbull demanding the public service briefings afforded to oppositions in election campaigns, because the prime minister has effectively named the election date – a tactic last tried by Tony Abbott when Julia Gillard “named the date” for the 2013 election eight months in advance.

    Turnbull anticipated the tactic and for that reason was careful this week to say he “expected” the election to be held on July 2 but that the final decision would be taken by the governor general. It is understood the Department of Prime Minister and Cabinet will reject the opposition leader’s request.

    http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/apr/21/malcolm-turnbull-expected-to-reject-bill-shortens-demand-for-pre-election-briefings

    Cagey Bill has Waffles on the backfoot every day.

  24. http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/media/60-minutes-document-proves-channel-nine-paid-for-beirut-kidnapping/news-story/b01c4b64d9cb0315f8cb414ae1b77b74

    60 Minutes: document proves Channel Nine paid for Beirut kidnapping
    The Australian April 21, 2016 6:37PM
    Jacquelin Magnay European correspondent

    Two single pieces of paper given to a Beirut court clearly show that Channel Nine paid for the failed kidnapping of two young Lebanese children and the company was aware of the reason for the payment, having included the reference “Investigation Into My Missing Child’’.

    Joe Karam, the lawyer for Adam Whittington who received the payment and orchestrated the kidnap plan, said Channel Nine had fled Lebanon without a word and was running away from any responsibility for those involved in the botched abduction who remain imprisoned in Beirut.

    The documentary evidence has called into question the deal that saw the release of the 60 Minutes crew, specifically excluding Whittington and his contractors even though Channel Nine had employed them to commit the snatch.

    “They are afraid to come back because they are liable,’’ Mr Karam said.

    “It is not appropriate for Channel Nine to arrange a deal and not include the men they asked to execute it.’’

    The Australian has obtained one of the documents, which shows the ANZ logo, and details of the swift international transfer payment from TCN Channel Nine Pty Ltd account held in the ANZ Park Street branch in Sydney to the personal company of Adam Whittington, IPCA Ltd in Stockholm.

    Whittington has lived in Sweden with his wife for several years, after growing up in Australia, serving in the Australian Army for four years and then moving to London.

    This particular payment was made at lunchtime on January 22 this year and was for $69,000. The Australian revealed exclusively last Monday that there were two payments from Channel Nine direct to Whittington totalling just over $115,000.

    Ali Elamine continues to press for personal charges against Whittington and his operatives, British tattoo artist Craig Michael and two Lebanese nationals, Khaled Barbour and Mohammed Hamza, and they all remain behind bars in the squalid cramped conditions in the Baabda detention centre.

    The documents could now jeopardise the future travel plans of any Channel Nine executive into Lebanon, if the prosecutor considers the evidence and decides to press charges against the company. It will also add weight to the charges of kidnapping and conspiracy to commit a crime already levelled against journalists Tara Brown, David Ballment, Ben Williamson and Stephen Rice.

    The four have been released on bail, although the prosecuting judge Rami Abdullah warned them that the investigation into the April 6 kidnapping of Lahela Elamine, five, and Noah Elamine, 3, at a southern Beirut bus stop was ongoing and that he expected them to return to Lebanon to face any formal charges that may be announced in the future concerning “the criminal act’’.

    Sally Faulkner may also face charges which could complicate the access arrangements she has made in return for relinquishing total custody of the children.

    Elamine said he didn’t directly blame the 60 Minutes crew, but rather the Nine network and that the decision to kidnap two children, which led to the assault of his mother Ibtissma Berri was not made by just a single person, “but a committee’’.

    “I think Channel Nine got it (the message they had committed a wrongdoing), and these particular people were just doing their job,’’ Mr Elamine said.

    But he has failed to empathise with Whittington and his crew because they had surveilled him “on his patch’’ in the days leading up to the snatch.

    “They must have thought I was good looking or something,’’ he said, believing they may have done a trial run of the kidnapping the day before.

    Judge Abdullah is expected to finish his investigation within several weeks and then make a recommendation to the prosecutor about the specific indictments faced by everyone involved.

    Tara Brown walked out of Baabda womens’ prison at 4.38pm local Beirut time on Wednesday and joined the curtained-off van that had earlier picked up her 60 Minutes colleagues from the detention centre. Australian embassy officials were also in the van which pulled up to prevent the waiting international media from obtaining footage of Brown, and embarked on a mad dash to the Beirut airport where the crew went through the VIP channel. Channel Nine has gone to extraordinary lengths to prevent their staff from talking to other media, organising with prison authorities special access to the detention centre and the prison areas so they could get the crew out and film exclusive interviews.

  25. http://www.theage.com.au/business/workplace-relations/a-filipina-cleaner-was-paid-as-little-as-3-an-hour-says-fair-work-20160420-goasj1.html

    http://slackbastard.anarchobase.com/?p=39748

    http://www.geelongadvertiser.com.au/news/national/former-hostage-warren-rodwell-slams-60-minutes-kidnapping-can-never-be-excused/news-story/96359e942ae3fae0de732e2a9c07349f

    http://www.geelongadvertiser.com.au/news/world/nine-network-says-it-will-not-help-members-of-child-abduction-recovery-international-facing-charges-in-lebanon/news-story/de09a8052016d413151d0aad8b7b380a

    http://www.canberratimes.com.au/world/60-minutes-case-child-recovery-agency-claims-competitor-passed-on-confidential-information-about-beirut-operation-20160420-gobdxg.html

  26. Just thinking about this hijab business – 26 years ago, when I was having chemotherapy and had lost my hair I wore a headscarf. Wigs were too annoying for me and I was too busy getting better to be worried about how I looked. Because women wearing headscarves were not a common sight around here I was sometimes mistaken for a nun. These days I’d be taken for a Muslim.

    Wouldn’t it be nice if everyone could just wear what they want to wear. in their non-work/non-school time. If little boys want to wear dresses, or little girls want to wear boy clothes, then they should. I If men want to wear skirts, then why not? Women wear trousers, so what’s so odd about a bloke in a skirt? f I want to wear a hijab (and there are days when I’m sorely tempted, because my hair is a mess) then I should be able to do that. I notice Her Majesty still likes to pop on the odd head scarf. No-one ever suggests she does that because Prince Phil makes her do it. She does it because it keeps her hair under control in wet and/or windy outdoor conditions.

    Restrictions diminish us all, male and feamle. A week or so ago we had a story about girls at a high school being asked to lower their hems because their skirts were distracting the male staff members. Really? How about the blokes get real and try to think about something other than sex during working hours. If certain males find the sight of an uncovered female head arousing then they too, need to give themselves a good kick in the arse – or somewhere more painful..

    This ancient idea of the female form being ‘sinful’ goes back to the earliest days of humanity, it’s not a recent idea. You might think that after millenia males would have learnt a bit of self control, but the wacky rules they impose on women tell us they have not. Hair must be covered, in case a stray stand of hair overwhelms a male who passes by with passion. Ankles once had to be covered for the same reason, still have to be in some parts of the world. Ditto arms, legs, bare midriffs, and even, quite possibly, earlobes. A woman cutting her hair was seen as an almost criminal act, and that grumpy old misogynist St Paul reinforced that nonsense by declaring Christian women should not cut their hair. As a result there are still Christianist nutters who enforce the no hair cuts rule for women because ‘the Bible says’. As St Paul was male, was allowed to cut his hair whenever he liked and was unmarried he obviously had no idea of the trials of keeping hip-length (or longer) hair clean and groomed. I once had hair so long I could sit on it – me mum liked me with plaits. St Paul had no freaking idea.

    For a long time in European history only unmarried women and queens were allowed to show their hair. Others had to cover their hair with scarves, veils, silly pointy hats or whatever, or risk public abuse. Some Jewish groups, even today, see a woman’s hair as so sinful they demand it be shaved, and the women have to wear wigs instead.

    So why this rant? Because it’s not just some – not all – Muslims who think a woman should keep her head covered. It’s an age-old idea that touches all religions, the non-religious and all races. It’s not so much about keeping women submissive, either, it’s about controlling male sexual urges because the poor, weak dears are so governed by their gonads and passions that they can’t even glimpse an ankle, an elbow, a knee or a strand of hair without wanting to have at it.

    End of rant.

  27. The Nine network is milking the kidnapping and, to their shame, so are all the other TV channels.

    Channel Nine paid for a kidnapping and they are criminals.

  28. CTar1

    Look what you gave gone and done to me ! Was looking to ditch the olden Holden over the past few months and get a new one, well newer Holden rather than new 🙂 Had a bloke I know at a car place keep an eye out for anything good coming in. Lo and behold he called and asked about this merc that just came in. Would never have looked at it were it not for your Silver Goddess. Result ? Cruising around in a Burgundy Goddess for the last week or so . Lovin’ it ! Oh and it should be about 4 years before any spark plugs raise my eyebrows.

    • Holden for a Merc’….nothing wrong with that..every now and then one needs to downgrade..

    • Apart from occasional urges to march into Poland all has gone well so far. Until now every car I have owned has been a Holden. This despite the terrible reptution Holden got in NZ way back in the day due to rust problems . Hence Holden were always called Golden Holdens. I guess UnZuds permanent wet state overwhelmed the rust proofing of the day. .

    • My dad had a Merc once. While driving it he was involved in a very nasty, almost fatal accident with a large truck. The truck driver said he did not see the Merc and tried to do a left-hand turn from the inside lane (bad boy!) while the Merc with my dad inside was in the outside lane.

      Ever since then I’ve had a strong aversion to the things. Plus the fact that my ex’s grand ambition was to own a Merc. That caused all sorts of heavy duty arguments because the Merc he wanted was a clapped-out one and we knew the owner. He was flogging it off because his wife was sick of it breaking down on the highway during shopping trips to Taree.

      Too establishment and conservative for my tastes, these German cars. If I won Lotto tonight I would not be buying one. I’d be buying the latest Honda Accord Euro, (No 1 son has an older model and I love driving it) or maybe a Tesla.

      So there!

  36. I can see a Big Story coming up on 60 Minutes.

    Poor Tara. The Brave crew. The Miserable Mum. The Sneaky Dad.

    And the abductors Nine paid for? who are they? Never heard of ’em.

    • And you reckon the mob in charge of quality and decency on TV, what’s their name?

      Oh yes, The Fisheries Board!

  37. BB

    I’m sure Channel Costello would give the same sympathetic coverage to a Lebanese man and a Beirut tv crews’ kidnapping attempt in Manly.

    • Father is now a millionaire (don’t mention that!)

      Mother is a victim.

      The crew were on a god-given mission.

      Bananas is getting lose and up with cow udders (as if!)

  39. Xenophon on Sky says he still thinks a Royal Commission into the Banksters is the way to go. Good.

  40. X aligns himself with what he thinks the bulk of the illiberals think.

    • Whatever the issue Senator X a sides with what is best for Senator X on that particular day.

  41. BK, Since I first saw it, 60 Minutes has, to me, been the epitome of Wank TV.

    Puffed up “superstar journalists”, strutting promos with all those “meaningful looks” straight to camera with knowing smiles, over-produced to the Nth degree, and very, very rarely delivering anything at all of lasting or significant news value.

    Tara Whatsername is a nobody. She’s never put herself in harm’s way, or done any investigative reporting, REAL investigative reporting. Nine paid hundreds of thousands to set up TV fodder for the Muslim-hating masses: nasty, sneaky Muzzie dads, beautiful Mum, corrupt justice system, and hero soldiers of fortune (now abandoned). Did I mention cute little kids?

    There has to be a lot more to this story than meets the eye. How do I know that? Because Nine has not revealed what’s behind this except to say that Sally Faulkner had an Australian Family Court order out against her ex-husband.

    We are led into the belief that the Dad was an unfeeling rat, dishonestly transporting his little tots to a nasty Muslim country under the control of Hezbollah, and then thumbing his nose at Australian authorities and authority. Mum is a sainted angel who can do no wrong. All she wants is to see her darling children.

    I call bullshit on this. NOTHING is that simple.

    • A friend tells me that Ms Faulkner was selected because of her eye candy quality (on the basis of a rumour from a mate at Ch9).

  42. “There has to be a lot more to this story than meets the eye.”

    Not yours or mine: ratings, money and self-interest.

    I might, just barely might, think that the mother’s motive was to get her kids back.

    Anyone check her bank accounts recently?

  43. FMFD !!! Pencil Neck Hartcher “The position on Climate Change is a bipartisan national consensus” . Bigger 😆 praised Libs for having “a seamless policy transition from Abbott to Turnbull “. What an achievement to keep the same shite people hated.
    .
    Good to hear , Toad of Toad Hall, BrandiSnaps, questioned whether CC is real or not during some CSIRO debate. Doing his bit for the Monkey Pod “Down with Turnbull” campaign.

  50. A Government MP Has Been Caught Attending An Anti-Islam Party Meeting

    Conservative MPs are courting the Australian Liberty Alliance, which denigrates “homosexual relationships” and calls for the government to ban Muslim immigration for the next 10 years.

    A photo of government MP Andrew Laming was forwarded to BuzzFeed News last night, quietly sitting at the back of an Australian Liberty Alliance meeting in Queensland.

    Laming, who is the Liberal National party member for the local seat of Bowman, was listening to a presentation of the ALA, which is a new political party that exists to spread a populist anti-Islam message.
    The ALA president Bernard Gaynor confirmed to BuzzFeed News that Laming was at the meeting and he was hopeful that he was there to join their cause. For his part, Gaynor claims that several federal Liberal MPs have attended meetings, but refused to name names.
    Laming said he was there to clear up misconceptions and errors in the Liberty Alliance’s presentation to his local constituents

    https://www.buzzfeed.com/markdistefano/hes-on-the-laming#.kuYK7j4N0k

    • Caught?

      The lemming counts that as his DFC.

      You really do have to wonder about not only their awareness but also about their intelligence.

      If I say or do whatever then I pass a thought or two about the consequences. Not that lot.

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