Election 2019

Well Pubsters here we go. After many tears and years we have finally arrived at Election time. 2019. Contrary to polls for years this will be a close and nail biting time .

The bookies are all saying Labor are a shoe in and in my experience and to my bank balance are very rarely wrong

All starts from now on and updates  will continue .

Lets have fun and hopefully celebrate a labor victory on Sunday Morning.

With The Boss’s kind permission, I am adding links to Gippsland Laborite’s and Vote 1 Julia’s analyses here, in case anyone wants to refer to them.

NSW: https://pbxmastragics.files.wordpress.com/2019/04/new-south-wales-2.pdf

QLD: https://pbxmastragics.files.wordpress.com/2019/04/queensland-1.pdf

SA: https://pbxmastragics.files.wordpress.com/2019/04/south-australia-1.pdf

TAS: “https://pbxmastragics.files.wordpress.com/2019/04/tasmania-5.pdf

VIC: https://pbxmastragics.files.wordpress.com/2019/04/victoria-3.pdf

WA: https://pbxmastragics.files.wordpress.com/2019/04/western-australia-1.pdf

ACT: https://pbxmastragics.files.wordpress.com/2019/04/act-4.pdf

NT: https://pbxmastragics.files.wordpress.com/2019/04/nt-4.pdf

Independent and minor party candidates: https://pbxmastragics.files.wordpress.com/2019/05/federal-seat-1.pdf

701 thoughts on “Election 2019

  1. A couple of weeks ago I posted about a 1 – 2 % swing to lnp on election night so I was not surprised at the result but boy did it fucking hurt I was really hoping for a better result. I guess when you get people like trump in the whitehouse then nothing surprised me any more.

    I’m always reminded of sideshow Bob’s acceptance speech and subsequent courtroom speech.

    And now I find out the pub is (possibly?) closing, here’s hoping Fiona can succeed in taking over and it continues as before. This place is my home and where my best friends live. There will be a huge hole in my heart if this place goes to that great archive in the clouds.

    I’m hurting like hell at the moment and doubly so over the news of the pub closure. I fully understand your feelings joe and I apologise to you on behalf of the clientele.

    Here’s hoping for better news on the morrow, I’ll still be posting links and vids as per usual and will try to help any way I can.

  2. This is a song about someone who is depressed. It’s pretty much how I – and about 50% of the voting population – feel right now.

    Apart from that it’s a damn good piece of music.

  3. If they want decent water then it might have helped if they had not kept on re-electing fracking rotten-to-the-core Nationals. The electorate of Parkes has just re-elected the useless Mark Coulton. Why?

    • Tragic indeed. And the live trade will continue. With all its cruelty which will remain totally uncontrolled. And thousands of cows will drown because this govt doesn’t believe in climate change. Disheartening.

  4. Bugger ! Thank goodness by tomorrow afternoon I shall be drifting down the Adelaide river ‘communing’ with the salties and watching nature go by. A well timed trip to a place where the world of humans seems a million miles away. It will be bliss.

    Now a word from Swannie.

    On behalf of the Australian Labor Party I would like to thank all our Party members and supporters for their hard work and dedication during the election campaign.

    The result is deeply disappointing and our Party has a responsibility to analyse the result and to respond maturely.

    Attributing blame or fault to any particular individual or policy is not the way ahead.

    Every political party which suffers a defeat learns one lesson and that is to listen even more carefully.

    In light of this result we need to examine our policy framework and our campaign strategies.

    Having a respectful and intelligent conversation with the Australian people has in the past shown Australia the best of Labor. We need to make sure we do that, reconnect where we’ve lost touch and cement the bonds that are the foundation of our great Party.

    This result also has implications for the future of our democracy. A $60 million spend by a conservative-aligned billionaire in a preference recycling scheme for the Liberal and National Party cannot be allowed to stand.

    We can’t allow our country to become a cheque-book democracy.

    The characterisation of the Labor policy agenda as radical says more about the state of conservative politics in Australia than it does about Labor. There is no world in which Labor won’t stand for fair wages, a fair go, enhancing equality of opportunity and tackling dangerous climate change.

    This policy framework was demonised by our political opponents, and yet these are all issues Australia will have to confront, and soon.

    We owe it to our supporters and future generations of Australians to find a politics that connects the people with these urgent challenges.

    Despair for those who love our country and are committed to a fairer society is not an option. Millions of Australians depend on Labor to be an effective political force as we were poignantly reminded through the death of Bob Hawke. He taught us that Australia is at its best when we don’t fear the future. The biggest risks to this country’s future today are growing inequality and climate change denial.

    We acknowledge the extraordinary service to our Party of Bill Shorten over six deeply challenging years. We are all proud of the role he has played in reuniting our Party and refreshing our policy agenda, and I am pleased he will continue to serve in the Parliament.

    The Party has got to dust itself off, rethink and reorganise.

  5. Well, this round is over, a lot of pounding the footpaths letterboxing, a lot of standing outside the pre-poll centre in all weathers and then 5 hours handing out htv yesterday. I suppose I can rest now and look forward to doing it again at the local elections before the federal ones in a couple of years (can’t see the lnp lasting out).
    Had a bit of a sleep and now my thoughts on what went wrong (posted over the road but no one seemed to be interested):

    I think there were many problems with the ALP campaign, firstly they treated the voters as intelligent and involved in politics when it is pretty obvious that many voters don’t really give a damn about politics until the campaigning begins and then only to look at it as a lose/gain for their hip pocket exercise.

    The second thing I think is that they went with too many progressive policies that were too complex to explain in simple 30sec tv commercials and sound bites, also they don’t seem to have wargamed the responses from the lnp and how to combat them. It should have been obvious that as soon as they were seen to be taking money from anyone the lnp would twist it to taking money from everyone, particularly the hard done by howard strugglers. How many times have we seen the responses to any monetary policy put out by ALP a struggling family pushed out as the poor losers from the policy, even blind freddy should have seen that coming. Tim Wilson only exaggerated the examples.

    Thirdly they allowed the lnp to set the battleground, as soon as the ALP fired of the first shot (neg gearing or the tax rorts) they sat back and let the lnp shoot at the big target offered without and protective fire of their own. The ALP campaign staff should have known that the lnp had no policies and got in the first attacks so it was lnp on the defence not the other way around.

    Fourthly, they had no answer in regard to adani, even though they had been under attack for a number of years by the Greens they had done nothing to counteract the Greens attack nor planned for any lnp attack. Did the ALP think that everyone was of the same mindset that environmental destruction would result from this mine. In reality I don’t believe this fight had anything to do with adani, in reality it has everything to do with the railway that needs to be build to exploit it, if you look at it from that angle the players suddenly expand and you realise why the lnp were so keen to exploit it, hint, look to who also owns mineral/exploration rites in the area. Do the ALP strategists really think that big gina would simply sit back and not stick her grubby paws into her pocket to dirty the scenes.

    Lastly, I think that the ALP allowed the lnp to set all the battlegrounds, they never attacked the lack of policies by the lnp, the ALP were continually on the backfoot defending their policies instead of attacking the lnp for no policies so the election finally became a battleground based on ALP needing to raise money and the lnp convincing the voter that the only avenue for raising the necessary money was the voter’s pocket.

    Anyway, just my opinion I am sure people that study campaigns will have more idea. I just hope that next time I am a foot soldier for the ALP they will have better plans for me to defend.

    • I agree with all you say.

      Obviously the majority of voters want a circus, lots of lies and candidates dressed in silly hats, not policies. Most voters, as I keep saying, are dumb, incredibly dumb. Intelligent policy making goes right over their empty heads.

      If someone could make election campaigns into reality TV shows, something like “Elected at First Sight”, or maybe “My Candidate Rules” then perhaps voters might take an interest. They want to see all the reality TV tricks – conflict, not polite debates, sneaky attention-seeking moves, a whiff of scandal so they can get behind their favourite (as Dawson did with that oaf Christensen) and accuse the other side of playing dirty. Voters have become so dumb this level of so-called entertainment is all they can absorb.

      Election campaigns are going to have to change. I hate to say this, but the Slogan Bogan, with his failed advertising background, knew how to appeal to the ignorant masses but as someone famous once said “You can fool all the people some of the time and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time”.

  6. Commiserations to you all. Its a bitter blow, but in a way I’ve accepted it and will concentrate on what I can affect locally, and support my VIC state Labor govt. The Labor states will have to push even harder on renewable energy, job generating programs, and any other worthwhile measures we know the feds will fall down on. One consolation, I think this will be a pretty weak govt. barely a majority, no real mandate, still getting some things blocked in the Senate, and no clear idea of what they want to do. Governments that have a miracle recovery tend to go down in the next election.

    Joe, I understand if you’ve decided to pull the pin here, its been a good run for something that was set up as a holiday period stop gap. There are other forums, and I know a few of you are on twitter. All the best to everyone.

  7. When Rudd/Gillard were in I used to watch Question Time. When Bill would get to the dispatch box I used to cringe because I found him so dull.
    As an ALP member I voted for Albo but in time accepted Bill and respected his efforts.
    But who were the idiots who came up with the campaign strategy of removing Franking Credit largesse?
    It was a good policy but there is just no way you can understand it. I’ve got a uni degree ( not economics ) so I’m reasonably intelligent buy I’ve got no hope of explaining it to Joe voter.
    It was open slather for a scare campaign.
    Voters complain but they accept that parties will change or renege on promises when they get into power.
    By all means cut out those franking credits when in power but don’t tell anyone beforehand.
    No way should Bowen whom I think was the architect of this policy, become leader. He’ll have this baggage around his neck forever.
    I like Penny, Kristina and Tanya.
    But at this stage I’ll vote for Albo.
    Because as much as we don’t like to admit it, the ALP has to have a larger than life leader if it wants any chance of getting in.
    I think of Gough, Bob and Rudd.
    I saw an interview with a Qld bogan who said he was going to vote for Morrison because he wore a baseball cap.
    For Christs sake.
    But this is the reality.
    Albo will go to the footy, go to his craft brewery, play his favourite music.
    Sad but IMO the reality

    • Although I had been receiving franking credits, quite a few actually, I never understood it, I thought it was magic accounting trick until Labor decided to stop it

  8. Although we are all feeling a little down we still have the right values of life.

  9. I’m amongst those that will miss The Pub never having the nastiness that tends to develop over the road. It’s getting harder to find like minded people anywhere in a world of me, me ,me. I never posted as often as the regulars but I enjoyed reading the comments while having my first coffee of a morning and to quote Doris Day “Que sera sera”. If the Pub does actually shutdown may I say you are some of the kindest most humane people it has ever been my privilege to swap words with

  10. Ms Fiona, or whoever manages to adopt the Pub (if it can be done). I am sure that some like me can stick our hands down the back of the sofa and see if we can find some gold coins there to contribute to the financial side. Cheers, T

  11. Easy for me to ask others to keep up the good work that you’re doing . If for whatever reason The Pub were to shut its doors I would be very upset.
    I rarely post but lurk many times per day.
    With the election I’ve lurked regularly at PB as well.
    I started there in I think 2009. Not as long as many.
    In those days there were so many useful insights and discussions.
    Today I reckon there’s maybe only 1 out of 20 posts worth reading.
    The rest are genuinely rubbish.
    And this is the void that over the years The Pub has tried to fill.
    So whatever way the cookie crumbles, Thankyou

    • I think everyone is offering to financially support the current moderators

      Joe it was an absolute pleasure to meet you and I am very grateful to you for setting up the Pub.
      I enjoy visiting daily to get the views of the current contributors. Leone is an ace researcher (who I don’t always agree with – but her wisdom is compelling)

  12. I really cannot express just how much I will miss The Pub. I have fingers and toes crossed tightly that someone will take it on – a big ask, I know, from me whose posts are few and far between these days. I come here every day to enjoy the company of what must be the friendliest and caring people on the planet.

    Thank you Joe6Pack for keeping the Pub going for so long. Thank you to all The Pub patrons as well.

  13. Joe, I understand it is not about the money and I completely understand your anger/upset/disappointment in regard to those that have insulted your fellow Queenslanders without taking the courtesy of understanding what sort of pressure they might have been under with the thought that they may lose their livelihood without any indication of what would replace it. Your fellow Queenslanders voted for what they thought was right for themselves, their families/friends and their community, no once can fault them for that.

    I thought that I read that Fiona had offered to adopt the site, if I am wrong I apologise, it was never my intent to undermine you or treat your concerns with contempt.

    You have been a magnanimous host of this site for many years and for that I truly thank you. Cheers, T

  14. My thoughts on the election.

    This is their ‘True Believers’ election let them have it and hope it portends a follow up election that gives us 10 years at the helm with a majority in both houses for at least one of those terms

    But I fear the cult of celebrity and the general rwnjobbery that seems to be pervading throughout the world is some years away from being defeated.

    We cannot fight the way they do because it is not in our makeup, we just have to try our best and hope our message gets through eventually.

    I wish everyone here a tolerable next three years and hope the pub survives to keep us sane and have somewhere to come to prove that not everyone on earth is an utter bastard.

    Live long and prosper folks our day will come.

  15. Using Tony Abbott’s favourite aphorism like …Look.. Aahh –
    It seems it’s my last go of getting a go and, having a go before Joe6pack pulls the plug.

    I’ve lurked here at the Pub from the early beginnings, with really not much to add to the excellent commenters like leone and duckie but also to regard it as a selfless resource each morning from BK to peruse the internet meat market. Thank heaps BK . it’s gonna be missed…. especially you getting up a sparrow hour to do it.

    The Election 2019… meh
    As someone pushing seventy now, I’ve suffered through a few of these disappointments (can’t think of a better word, though disillusionment comes close) on Election Night that often started with the optimism of what the incoming possibility of a Labor Government might mean for our country – not just as a squatter economy of tax dodging multinationals led by the Tories but as a society and community for all Aussies, from the first to the last….for richer and for poorer.

    We’ve pretty much ended up with the same 76/69 split before all the rigmarole of cornflutes and lead pencils and fear and lies. Where did Hope go in this universe?

    But it’s not so bad in the Senate – Labor and Greens have a block that requires all (5 so far) crossbenchers to pass the Govt’s policies so let’s hope Scummo has an inkling of Bill’s talents in negotiation

    Sadly, this is what this election result tells me. It’s effing Groundhog Day again. Nothing’s changed.

    Anyway, howabout we call it the PUP site instead..in Memory of Clive…

    ps Joe, a question , RAILBASTARD site.. you? We might have history.

  16. Before I go here’s another Billy story from a God Forgotten Election


    PAT M’Durmer brought the tidings to the town of God-Forgotten :
    ‘There are lively days before ye–commin Parlymint’s dissolved!’
    And the boys were all excited, for the State, of course, was ‘rotten,’
    And, in subsequent elections, God-Forgotten was involved.
    There was little there to live for save in drinking beer and eating;
    But we rose on this occasion ere the news appeared in print,
    For the boys of God-Forgotten, at a wild, uproarious meeting,
    Nominated Billy Blazes for the commin Parlymint.

    Other towns had other favourites, but the day before the battle
    Bushmen flocked to God-Forgotten, and the distant sheds were still;
    Sheep were left to go to glory, and neglected mobs of cattle
    Went a-straying down the river at their sweet bucolic will.
    William Spouter stood for Freetrade (and his votes were split by Nottin),
    He had influence behind him and he also had the tin,
    But across the lonely flatlands came the cry of God-Forgotten,
    ‘Vote for Blazes and Protection, and the land you’re living in!’

    Pat M’Durmer said, ‘Ye schaymers, please to shut yer ugly faces,
    ‘Lend yer dirty ears a momint while I give ye all a hint:
    ‘Keep ye sober till to-morrow and record yer vote for Blazes
    ‘If ye want to send a ringer to the commin Parlymint.
    ‘As a young and growin’ township God-Forgotten’s been neglected,
    ‘And, if we’d be ripresinted, now’s the moment to begin–
    ‘Have the local towns encouraged, local industries purtected:
    ‘Vote for Blazes, and Protection, and the land ye’re livin’ in.

    ‘I don’t say that William Blazes is a perfect out-an’ outer,
    ‘I don’t say he have the larnin’, for he never had the luck;
    ‘I don’t say he have the logic, or the gift of gab, like Spouter,
    ‘I don’t say he have the practice–BUT I SAY HE HAVE THE PLUCK!
    ‘Now the country’s gone to ruin, and the Governments are rotten,
    ‘But he’ll save the public credit and purtect the public tin;
    ‘To the iverlastin’ glory of the name of God-Forgotten
    ‘Vote for Blazes and Protection, and the land ye’re livin’ in!’

    Pat M’D. went on the war-path, and he worked like salts and senna,
    For he organised committees full of energy and push;
    And those wild committees riding through the whisky-fed Gehenna
    Routed out astonished voters from their humpies in the bush.
    Everything on wheels was ‘rinted,’ and half-sobered drunks were shot in;
    Said M’Durmer to the driver, ‘If ye want to save yer skin,
    ‘Never stop to wet yer whistles–drive like hell to God-Forgotten,
    ‘Make the villains plump for Blazes, and the land they’re livin, in.’

    Half the local long-departed (for the purpose resurrected)
    Plumped for Blazes and Protection, and the country where they died;
    So he topped the poll by sixty, and when Blazes was elected
    There was victory and triumph on the God-Forgotten side.
    Then the boys got up a banquet, and our chairman, Pat M’Durmer,
    Was next day discovered sleeping in the local baker’s bin–
    All the dough had risen round him, but we heard a smothered murmur,
    ‘Vote for Blazes–and Protection–and the land ye’re livin’ in.’

    Now the great Sir William Blazes lives in London, ‘cross the waters
    And they say his city mansion is the swellest in West End,
    But I very often wonder if his torey sons and daughters
    Ever heard of Billy Blazes who was once the ‘people’s friend.’
    Does his biassed memory linger round that wild electioneering
    When the men of God-Forgotten stuck to him through thick and thin?
    Does he ever, in his dreaming, hear the cry above the cheering:
    ‘Vote for Blazes and Protection, and the land you’re livin’ in?

    Ah, the bush was grand in those days, and the Western boys were daisies,
    And their scheming and their dodging would outdo the wildest print;
    Still my recollection lingers round the time when Billy Blazes
    Was returned by God-Forgotten to the ‘Commin Parlymint’:
    Still I keep a sign of canvas–’twas a mate of mine that made it–
    And its paint is cracked and powdered, and its threads are bare and thin,
    Yet upon its grimy surface you can read in letters faded:
    ‘Vote for Blazes and Protection, and the land you’re livin’ in.’

  17. ‘We have lost Australia for now,’ warns climate scientist in wake of election upset
    The unexpected victory of conservatives in Australia’s election is bad news for the future of global climate action.

    “Australians elected someone who once brought a lump of coal into Parliament urging us to dismiss the warnings from climate scientists, and to dig up more coal instead,” Professor Stephan Lewandowsky, an Australian cognitive scientist, told ThinkProgress in an email. “There is little doubt that his government will do precisely that.”

    “We have lost Australia for now,” warned Penn State climatologist Michael Mann in an email. “A coalition of a small number of bad actors now threaten the survivability of our species,” he said


    • Ignore the nonsense about Morrison’s “re-election”, they have him confused with Abbott. It’s easy to see how that mistake could be made. To an overseas audience the ongoing farce that is the ATM government with its cavalcade of climate-denying PMs must be confusing.

  18. joe6pack,

    Hi Joe, as a fellow Queenslander,I more than understand your pain and especially that which we both feel.

    When bitterly disappointed people from other States which seemingly showed more responsibility to the future and well-being of our country than a number of our poorly informed and selfish fellow Queenslanders express their disappointment and feel let down by those cretins, it is understandable but very hard to take by born & bred, patriotic Queenslanders.

    However, when you started this Blog way back as a temporary measure to cater for people who had developed an addiction to interacting with people who had become part of a community of like minded individuals who, over a period of time, had become friends, who, if they had not had the wonderful opportunity of meeting some of those commenters in person, developed a strong on-line friendship with everyone else who comments here either often or only occasionally like myself.

    I may not comment here everyday, but it is the first thing that In bring up every morning to link onto BK’s fantastic Links & Cartoons.

    They keep me busy for most of the day following them up & reading them, hence not many comments from me on the blog. Too busy following links & reading.

    BK. You are a legend and I don’t know how you can put such a wonderful collection together so early, but then, having met you personally,, It is more understandable knowing that you are such an intelligent, capable person.I am proud to call a friend.

    As such, I feel itt would be a travesty if this wonderful Blog was to close for ever and this fantastic community of like minded souls and friends were to disband.

    I will contribute whatever it takes to help keep this wonderful community together swapping ideas and opinions and keeping the faith..

    Please Joe, let me know how we can relieve you of your burden of responsibility for this fantastic Blog and keep it running & allow this community of friends to continue to interact together.

    I am sure that we all would welcome an occasional comment & opinion from your good self even if it might ruffle a few feathers here & there. LOL

    This has been a grand adventure you initiated. It would be a shame to see it end much earlier than it would if it had just run its course. I honestly believe that there is much life left in the old blog yet. For the sake of your online friends on The Pub, please consider helping to keep the swing doors open for a while longer.

    Cheers, Scorpio

  19. This little black duck,

    [ Just being a Green.]

    Real helpful buggers, aren’t they Ducky! 😉

    I’ll never forget the way they sabotaged Labor’s climate change legislation by siding with the Coalition.

    Now it looks more and more like we are out of the pan and heading into the fire.

    Our kids, grand-kids and great-great grand-kids will curse our generation for the legacy we are leaving the thanks very much to the Greens..

  20. Well off to the airport now and on to the ‘wilds’ of the NT. When I’m in the NT the rest of Australia seems more like a distant foreign land. Which after Saturday will feel even better than usual ! Take care all and I hope when I get back I do not find a “Closed ” sign hanging on the front door of the Pub. As they say in NZ , Kia Kaha !

  21. Good morning Pubsters

    I’m posting BK’s links, copied from over the road, because he hasn’t done that today. Maybe he thinks our doors are closed. (More on that later.)

    Good morning Dawn Patrollers.

    Saturday night was a raw, hard moment, writes Bill Shorten.
    They are pretty happy over at The Australian!
    The PM intends to put the tax cut forward as a “priority” amid concerns on Sunday that the Coalition lost ground in key seats after earlier appearing on track to govern in its own right.
    “Should Labor jump to new generation leader – and Morrison steal some Shorten policies?”, asks Michelle Grattan.
    Max Kozlowski tells us about Professor Bela Stantic who analysed 2 million social media comments, from more than half a million unique accounts, relating to 50 key terms, and predicted that Scott Morrison would win.
    Jacqui Maley says that Tony Abbott’s treatment of his seat as a “personal fiefdom” has angered colleagues who say the former Liberal leader could be to blame if the Coalition is forced into minority government because he refused to retire for a fresh candidate.
    Sean Kelly writes that a lesson coming out of this election is that change is hard to bring about n this country.
    Phil Coorey says it’s ScoMo’s show now and all he needs is an agenda.
    The SMH editorial urges Morrison to use this third Coalition term to unite the country.
    And Peter Hartcher says that Morrison has given himself a rare opportunity to craft an agenda for a new government and a vision for a continent. But how it handles a possible economic crisis will define it, he writes.
    Similarly Ross Gittins says Morrison’s miracle election may turn out to be the easy bit.
    Peter Martin chimes in on this subject saying, “Albo, or Plibersek, or whoever it turns out to be the next Labor leader, might have had a lucky accident. Usually, it’s Labor that inherits an economy turning down. This time, it’s the Coalition. And because of regular updates from the Reserve Bank and the Bureau of Statistics strikingly at odds with their public position that the economy strong, they ought to be finely attuned to it.”
    Before the election, Scott Morrison told the nation we needed a party with a growth policy. Now that the election is over, we’ll hopefully find out what that growth policy is, writes Michael Pascoe.
    Sam Maiden tells us how Labor went from dreaming of victory to staring at misery in the 2019 election.
    Katharine Murphy tells us that Albo is making a concerted play for the Labor leadership, declaring the party’s policy direction needs to change but signalling he would promote progressive values, as the count continues after Saturday night’s election.
    And now for the big Labor post mortem!
    But environmentalists reject suggestions tactics such as the Stop Adani convoy cost Labor the election. They need to have a good look at themselves!
    Michael Koziol explains how the Coalition pulled off a miracle as Labor’s momentum fell apart – and why no one noticed.
    A nice backhander from Shane Wright who says pollsters are 95 per cent unsure how they got it wrong.
    Scott Morrison will urgently recall Parliament to secure the passage of promised $1080 tax cuts from July 1 after the Liberals’ “miracle” victory, writes Sam Maiden.
    Political science lecturer Marija Taflaga writes, “Morrison has led the Coalition to a ‘miracle’ win, but how do they govern from here?”
    Eryk Bagshaw opines that it was two words that lost Labor the election – “Retiree Tax”.
    David Wroe explains how Queensland demonstrates the north south divide in Australian politics. The 23-6 seat advantage the Liberal National Party enjoys over Labor verges on the ridiculous, he says.
    Judith Ireland looks at the Labor Party and how it will chose a new leader.
    Matt Wade thinks complex political cross-currents have made it difficult for either major party to carve out a decisive lead and long-held electoral norms are shifting.
    Amanda Vanstone hopes this is the start of a new era in Australian politics.
    Ben Raue writes that One Nation preferences may have flowed to Coalition but there is scant evidence United Australia had an effect.
    David Crowe says that no opposition will risk its fate the way Labor di this time around.
    Cole Latimer writes that the Coalition win in the weekend’s election has raised industry concerns that the Scott Morrison government will return to its ‘big stick’ legislative agenda to rein in power prices.
    In this op-ed Trent Zimmermann says that the Coalition still has lessons to learn.
    On the other side Alexandra Smuth writes that NSW Labor needs to be completely rebuilt. It must work out what it wants to be. Is it a party for inner city progressives or working families in western Sydney?
    Sportsbet will lose at least $5.2 million thanks to its decision to pay out early on Bill Shorten winning Saturday’s federal election as large bookmakers again had to admit they had misread the political landscape. Did they ever!
    Where to now for Labor asks Jennifer Hewett.
    Katharine Murphy writes that Labor lost the unlosable election – now it’s up to Morrison to tell Australia his plan.
    It looks like Jacqui Lambie will have the last laugh on Palmer.
    Fergus Hunter reports that Zali Steggall is optimistic about climate collaboration with the Abbott ‘handbrake’ gone.
    Jacob Saulwick examines the significant delay in reform reaction to the NSW report on building cladding dangers.
    And the NSW Upper House is set to force the Berejiklian government to provide more details about how it spends taxpayers’ money, as the state’s tourism and events agency lost another bid to keep secret its expenditure on events like Vivid.
    Oil and gas companies claiming to support climate change reform initiatives are simultaneously spending billions to stop tougher laws. And it appears to be working.
    Nigel Gladstone writes about the still patchy roll out of the NBN. The Coalition is going to have to own this debacle now.
    Sensibly, Peta Credlin has called for end to ‘damaging’ fortnightly Newspolls.
    Now Tony Abbott is being touted as our Washington envoy. You’ve gotta be joking!
    Relieved corporate leaders have urged the new government to work with business to simplify the industrial system, reduce the regulatory squeeze on banks, develop a rational energy policy and lift productivity and wages.
    Labor’s ambitions to ramp up electric vehicles may be in tatters, writes Cara Waters, but some small Australian business are amongst world leaders in the sector. Brisbane-based Tritium manufactures the fastest electrical vehicle charging stations in the world with 95 per cent of its production exported.
    The UK Guardian says Jeremy Corbyn should be praying for a Boris Johnson victory.
    Today marks one of the biggest shake-ups in the history of measurement. But the new standards on how we define units of mass, length, time and so on are not easy to explain.
    And for today’s nomination for “Arsehole of the Week” we have . . .

    Cartoon corner will follow in more posts.

  22. I refuse to even give BK’s link to Johannes Leak.

    If you want to see the US cartoons then I’m sorry, but you will have to nip across the road.

  23. Now – about those doors.

    One way or another Fiona, Ducky and myself will keep the doors opened. I do not know how yet, arrangements are still under way, but youse can all relax, we are staying open.

    (I hope I am not going to get into trouble for blabbing too soon.)

  24. The Matt Golding cartoon about Clive Palmer reminded me of something I wanted to say yesterday but wasn’t in the mood to do.

    The general opinion, especially in the media, is along the lines “Clive spent $60 million and didn’t get anything”.


    He has exactly what he wanted.

    He directed preferences to the Coalition. They are now in government, thanks, in a small way, to a lot of those preferences. Does anyone seriously believe Palmer made a deal with the Libs out of the goodness of his heart? No, he made a deal because he wanted something.

    What did Clive want? He wanted the Coalition government returned because he wants to open his huge, bigger than Adani mega-mine in the Galilee Basin and he wants a free rail line (the same one Adani and Gina Rinehart want us to pay for) to take all that coal to the coast.

    A Labor government would not have agreed to his plans, Labor had already announced that a Shorten government would not fund that railway. A Shorten government would have eventually banned new thermal coal mines. Coal for steel making would have been an exception, but that’s not the sort of coal available in the Galilee basin. The coal there is thermal coal, only suitable for electricity generation. A Labor government would have swung behind renewable power, using existing mines to maintain the coal generators during the transition. The Libs and Nats, however, love coal and want more mines, the more the better, and plan to rely on coal for electricity generation way into the future.

    Last Friday, during a meeting with a bunch of elderly folks who all seemed to be devout LNP voters, FauxMo had this to say about coal –

    Another elderly man basically asks why some fuel sources are demonised and Scott Morrison says he is “always puzzled when any power source attracts such particular partisan attention”.

    “It’s just a gas,” he says.

    “It’s just petroleum.”

    He says that it should just be about the lowest possible cost and we ‘don’t need to engage in a moral debate about it’.

    “It’s just coal. It’s just a power source,” he says.

    “…Why do we get into any value judgement about any of these particular sources because at the end of the day, they are a practical thing, it’s a power source thing.”

    Morrison says his government is bringing it back to the practicalities of it as a power source, without those moral, partisan debates


    That link also gives you Amy Remeikis’s comments on FauxMo’s loopy words, well worth reading.

    So – Clive Palmer spent $60 million on a campaign designed not to get his team elected, (he’s been there, done this before, he knew he had little chance of getting anyone into parliament) but to try to ensure the government he wanted was returned. He directed preferences in away he knew would favour the government.

    That $60 million was an investment, money well spent in Clive’s way of thinking. He believes he will make billions from his mine. He now has exactly what he wanted, a complaint, like-minded, conservative government which owes him a favour, a big favour.

    There’s just one problem with Clive’s plan – he has to find an overseas market for his coal. With the big importers of Australian coal now turning to renewable power he might find those markets very hard to find.

    Gina Rinehart and Gautam Adani are not the only ones keen to dig up the Galilee Basin.

    • Could a deal between Palmer and Morrison have been decided quite a while ago ? And organised perhaps by Morrison, rather than Palmer.

    • Very possible. FauxMo – or most likely his advisers, because he wouldn’t have had the intelligence to come up with it – could have made an offer. “Preference us and you will get your mine.” Either way it was a very dirty deal.

    • Fm is a vicious, cunning beast. That sort of intelligence. Like Abbott. He is only capable of devious, nasty dirty tricks, inflicted on the opposition.

  25. Hey peeps,
    I am, like many in shock. We must support each other, and wish on Morrison the mother of all problems and more besides.

    I cannot log onto this site on my phone and it does not show up in my WordPress list, so I can’t post if I am not near my laptop.

    I am in Broome visiting my son, at the Aboriginal Community. By avoiding the news, I can cut myself off from the mainstream.

    I am totally disgusted with Australia and Australians enabled this disaster to happen. I am posting my bile over the road, instead of putting my very negative feelings here.

    My son has the best life. You can cut off and just enjoy the lifestyle here, and it is one where money has no meaning. Everyone just gets around in their ordinary clothes, people are friendly, disputes are loud but are over quickly, people help each other. The dogs run happily free and there is no dogcatcher.

    F#ck the cowardly, greedy, racist, money grubbing, traitorous b@rsteds who voted down a great policy platform and marvellous team in favour of a crazy happy clapper and thirty pieces of silver toxic lead.

    • Your son’s life sounds wonderful.Enjoy your stay. I could be just a bit envious. (Actually I’m a lot envious.)

      Your last sentence sums the election result up to perfection. Well said!

  26. Money here does have meaning because things cost a lot, and there is the basics card etc to deal with, but I mean accumulating wealth and displaying the symbols of wealth is not more important than people’s relationships.

  27. My son and I were invited to a 21st Birthday party for one the community, here on Saturday night. It was a great night, and the band was excellent. I tasted turtle for the first time. It is strange taste to my palate and I am uncomfortable with eating them, so I one piece was enough. It was done in an excellent casserole.

    I was too tired to drink much, but next time I might just let go a bit. Though I was up dancing with the rest. 🙂

    I suppose some Australians and overseas people think that a 21st in a community would be the traditional music, and dancing, didgeridoo and all.

    Well, it was like any party in suburban cities, except the music could be played loud and long and the neighbours never complain. 🙂

    I will say again, the band was good and the drummer deadly.

  28. Hi everyone, I just wanted to say I’m here as usual wishing everyone the best and to say excellent news leone that the site will keep going.

    I don’t know about the advertising on the site but perhaps it would help we all just said Hi to increase the click count. Anyone?

    • There used to always be an ad of some sort between the thread starter and the first comment on a page. It seems to have gone now and I must admit I haven’t seen it for a while so maybe I’m dreamin’.

      My sugestion was to try to do something to help pay the costs. I’m going beyond my realm of understanding so ignore me and carry on regardless.

  29. I just feel empty and hopeless. I was hoping Labor would win so that they could restore funding to science and research as they promised so that I might have a job.

    Now that’s all disappeared. All I have to look forward to in future is Newstart and whatever horrors this government has planned for me. Cashless welfare cards, forced labour, no money at all so I’ll no longer be able to rent. Who do you think Morrison’s going to go after first when the recession hits? Probably people like me.

    I feel like I have nothing to look forward to anymore, and the attitude of this country is like “Well, I got mine, f**k you”.

    • Yep. Australia has turned into a red-neck right-wing imitation of the US, full of hate.

      Labor promised so much, now none of it will happen, Instead new horrors will be inflicted on us all by the totally incompetent nest of vipers known as the Morrison government. They did not deserve to win, they do not deserve to be in government but there they are and we have to cope with the mess for a while. But probably not for three years. .

      I don’t think this government will go full term. .

      No matter how grim things seem right now, just remember one thing. Fifty percent of voters did not want this government returned. Add to that the young family members of that 50% who were too young to vote, but won’t be in a year or two.

      I’ve been through some dreadful election losses, the worst until now was the loss of the Whitlam government in 1975. This one is 100 times worse because no-one saw it coming, no-one realised how rabid the average Australian voter has become. They even gave positive swings to Dutton and Barnaby, FFS! Why?

      One thing I know – we can all get through this and start working to get rid of the bastards after a bit of time out for grief and loss.

    • Fruit picking is not everybody’s cup of tea, I know. My nephew, on work visa, is picking apples in WA. He enjoys it, as well as the camaraderie. He intends to go from orchard to orchard. It’s only for a year. He needed a break of this kind. I did, too, long ago. Most enjoyable.

    • leone, it’s not possible to get rid of them. We hoped when Abbott was the leader, even whenTurnbull was. One finishes, another one of the same kind arrives. I have no hope of Morrison giving up before the end of term. That’s wishful thinking. It’ll get worse with a possible war fabricated by the US.

  30. The Clive Palmer ads appeared around May last year so I think the strategy was cooked up then. Pup fielded candidates to preference feed into the Liberals but more importantly to run that $60m advertising blitz. If the AEC think its crook, who are they going to discipline and how – there are no elected members of Parliament.

    It has been said that when the church leaders said to back Morrison all the evangelicals heard the dog whistle.
    It has been noted that former working class strong holds with chronic high unemployment shifted their vote from Labor to Pauline Hanson

    I am very sorry Kirsdarke’s science employment won’t happen as the Liberals cut more science jobs. I think the Liberals are really going to punish the poor for not having a job while engaging in policies that depress the economy further. Because Gina and Clive are so removed from everyday Australians they reside in Singapore & New Zealand to reduce their tax

  31. Thanks for maybe letting the cat out of the bag, poor cat. What great news, it was almost as bad news as the election result. We have become so dependent on The Pub to inform us everyday.

    Can someone pass this news onto BK? I’m sure he’ll be pleased too. After yesterday I thought he’d take a few days off, but I guess it has become such a habit for him to look after some of us that are too lazy or don’t know how to find the articles.

  32. One reason for Labor’s vote dropping in the NT was Shorten’s announcement of funding to increase gas exploration and drilling in the north.

    There is a strong “Don’t Frack the Territory” movement, mostly indigenous. They rightly fear the loss of water resources when fracking goes ahead. They were not at all happy with the Gunner government deciding to remove a moratorium on fracking a year ago and they have been spitting chips since Shorten announced his plans. They do not want to NT turned into a gas field.

    This is typical of comment from this group.

    Warren Snowdon needs a serious wake up call. He recently told Buzzfeed News fracking wouldn’t go ahead where Traditional Owners didn’t want it, and that communities in the Beetaloo Basin support fracking.

    Has our federal rep been asleep at the wheel and somehow missed the outcomes of fracking inquiry consultations in that region, the regular protests and lobbying trips from leaders in the Beetaloo calling for a fracking ban, or is he simply ignoring us in favour of the fracking industry?

    Send him, and the frack-happy Coalition, a message this election and put the major parties last. Because thats where they’re putting us.

    Authorised by G.Sawyer, Darwin NT.


    Unfortunately there was no-one else to vote for, apart from the Greens, who had a tiny swing towards them in Lingiari and a slightly bigger one in Solomon. The other candidates were all impossible to vote for – the CLP, UAP, Rise up Australia (Ugh) and an indie or two, and Labor. I would not have blamed anyone in those electorates for voting informal, the choice was dismal. No matter who you chose you’d get fracking.

    The fracking announcement may have been an honest one, but it was also incredibly stupid. It was like kicking a bull-ant nest.

    Maybe Labor will learn something from this election – do not scare voters by announcing more fracking, by saying you will bring in negative gearing or by announcing plans to end the franking credits rort. Just announce the nice stuff – the tax cuts especially – and then when in power spring the bad news. By the time the next election comes voters will have forgotten all about the nasties.

  33. I bet they will go after the franking credits they made such a noise about, it’s a big pot of money, and if they use it then Labor wont be able to next election.
    It would be very handy sum to finance the tax handout for the real top end of town or pay for a railway to Gina, Clive and Adani’s coal mines.

  34. Kirsdarke

    So sorry to hear about your employment prospects. It is very very hard to remain positive at this time. Please try and distract yourself with something that interests you other than politics. Also so know that about 50% of Australians are feeling despair right now too, but we will put one foot in front of the other and keep looking at the light at the end of the tunnel.

  35. What is this about the blog? I for one will donate to keep The Pub going. I am willing to pay my fair share. I love this place. There is no-where else I can go to escape the wankers. I dump a lot of stuff on Pollbludger and have my arguments there but this is a place of camaraderie and understanding.

    I like all the people here, youse are my friends. I know it sounds a bit sad and lame but there it is.

  36. Kirsdarke,
    I believe in you. I know you are one of the good ones. You are smart, compassionate and tenacious. There will be a job for you. And whoever gets you will be the luckiest employer on the planet.

    If you need help with getting your resume together or editting an application letter, I am here for you. Also for your resume and letter, for any online application try to include anything you think are the keywords that are picked up by electronic word searches.

    You are worth it, you are the hope we have on this planet for its future. And remember, I have had three kids go overseas to realise their dreams. You can too. And they did not get where they are by the route they thought was there when they were in university. q

  37. Just read on twitter that Tanya P is not running for Labor leadership. I am so pleased because I didn’t want to see her being treated the way they treated Julia. Most people seem to be favouring Albo. Me, I don’t care, the msm will heap shit on whomever it is. He can probably take it better, he has the hide of a rhino.

  38. The ABC says Tanya Plibersek will not contest the Labor leadership.


    I think that’s a wise move, much as I’d like to see Tanya in charge.

    The way this country is heading (extreme right wing on the rise, intelligent policy making ignored in favour of shenanigans and caps plus growing, active discrimination against women) tells me a female leader will not be acceptable to a majority of voters.

    I’d have to say Albo is the best option,.The election showed us Australians don’t want statesmen or gravitas or leaders with class and intelligence, they seem to prefer knockabout blokes with slogans. Not to say Albo isn’t intelligent, but he’s not my idea of an ideal leader.

    Someone else has to put their hand up so there can be an illusion of a contest. From earlier reports it will probably be Chris Bowen. I think he makes a most excellent treasurer, but he’snot a leader.

    I’m not a member of the Labor Party, so I have no say.

    I really, really hope they don’t go with Marles as deputy. That man is hopeless, a nonentity, and has been far too close to Shorten, so some of the Shorten baggage will come with him. Tanya Plibersek would be my choice, but Jim Chalmers would be OK.

    Booting out a female deputy and replacing her with a male is not a good look, especially when Labor has made such a huge deal of female equality.

  39. Let’s hope the Queensland government can remain unforthcoming with their approvals for a long time.

    Adani ready to go at Carmichael mine, claims governments are dragging the chain

    Lucas Dow said as soon as the State Government signed off on the black throated finch and groundwater ecosystem management plans, excavation would begin.

    “To be honest, if I had those approvals in my hand today, we’d be getting to the work,” he said.

    The Federal Government also needs to approve the groundwater management plan, but Mr Dow said be believed that was not far away.

    He said the Queensland Government’s approvals had not been as forthcoming


  40. Me too.

    After the ABC’s biased treatment of Labor for years now I couldn’t care less what happens to the place.Since Howard’s time the ABC has been increasingly biased.

    It amazes me that an organisation that can do so much excellent investigating and reporting on major issues through Four Corners and the like can also present so much heavily biased material in its news and current affairs programs.

    Patricia Karvelas was having another whinge yesterday. In response to criticism of the ABC she said this –

    The responses in that thread do not agree with her.

  41. An example of why it is pointless electing National Party MPS.

    Rob Oakeshott went into the election campaign (admittedly he was not likely to win) promising to work with whatever government was elected on the big issues, especially climate change (important in a coastal electorate), a Pacific Highway bypass for Coffs Harbour, something no Nats MP has ever shown any interest in, funding for TAFE and a stack of other worthwhile things.

    The Nats bloke (former Sydney copper turned solicitor) didn’t really have much to say, except to promise “something would be done” about an unwanted and unnecessary tidal pool and the sealing of a road used by about 14 farms and riverside homes. Riverside homes that will be under water in a couple of years, given the rate climate change is advancing, farms that if not flooded will be useless because of salt water contamination.

    Today he announced his first priority. Climate change? Education? New health funding for the north of the electorate?

    Nope. None of that.

    His top priority is to get that road sealed. It’s a council matter, not a federal one, he can do nothing about it as it’s not a major road or a highway. He must have property there, to be so keen to see it sealed.

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