261 thoughts on “Australia Votes 2019: Part 3 – Queensland

  1. I haven’t been paying much attention to tonight’s debate, it’s been yammering on in the background while I’ve been doing other stuff. I recorded it, in case I want to watch later on.

    But – I couldn’t help noticing as the debate went on things became very heated, FauxMo had totally lost his cool well before the end.

    Now it’s over to the talking heads, who, of course, will tell us FauxMo totally won. He didn’t.

  2. leone
    Bill had a great zinger.

    Morrison was trying that intimidating wandering into Bill’s spot on the stage and crowding Bill.

    Bill looked at him and said, ‘You are a classic Space Invader!’ Scomo backed off and stayed on his turf from then on,

  3. Results of the debate – Shorten 43%, FauxMo 41%, Dunno 16%.

    Paul Murray says no-one won.Well, of course he would say that.

    From the bits and pieces I saw I think Shorten wiped the floor with FauxMo, he played him magnificently after a rather shaky start.

    • I thought that Speers was fair. He looked quite amused at Shorten at times. Morrison dominated with words, always wanted to have the last one. He had an answer for everything never mind if it was full of lies. He has no class, no principles. He is overbearing. Shorten did well. He shows his interest in people. Personally, I’d like him to be more in control of his facial expressions when Morrison talks. Too much goofiness, and rolling his eyes. imo. Some people have commented about it, but they were Libs.

  4. Anyone still needing proof the Liberal Party has been taken over byneo-nazis and right-wing extremists? Well, here it it.

    Neil Erikson attended Gold Coast ‘recruitment event’ for the Liberal National party
    Erikson was one of three far-right extremists present at event and claims someone else paid his flights to attend

    Far-right ringleader Neil Erikson was one of three extremists who attended a “conservative recruitment event” for the Liberal National party at a private residence on the Gold Coast last year.

    Erikson, who claims someone else paid for his flights from Melbourne to attend the event, is one of the founders of the anti-Islam United Patriots Front and has been convicted for inciting contempt against Muslims after he staged a mock beheading of a mannequin.

    An email seen by Guardian Australia describes the event as an “conservative recruitment event” for the Queensland-based Liberal National party, which was held in early June 2018.

    Erikson flew from Melbourne to Brisbane for the function, which was also attended by fellow members of the far-right Scott Moerland and Ricky Turner. Moerland is now running as a Queensland candidate for Fraser Anning’s Conservative National party


  5. Yes, I see the Liberal Party has said it did not organise the event so they can’t say anything. As if that would be accepted if it was a Labor event! The MSM would have it on auto-spin.

  6. Bill had a pen and paper and wrote things down when Morrison was speaking, sometimes. Morrison had nothing.
    Having been to a Bill town-hall meeting, I can say he always has a pen and paper and makes notes when people asks questions, especially multipart ones. He keeps making eye contact but notes things down. It makes him look very interested in questioner and in the debate gave him something to do when Scomo was ranting. He didn’t do it all the time in the debate, but it was effective.

    At one point when Scummo oops Scomo was avoiding a figure, I think on a cost of something or tax to the rich, he held up a piece of paper with the real figure on it. so funny!

    • I’ve seen a fair few of Bill’s town hall meetings, his usual process is to have three people ask questions while he takes notes, then he will answer all three. The process is repeated until time runs out. He’s used to making notes, FauxMo obviously is not.

      The personal space invasion – FauxMo is infamous for this. If you saw the footage of his bridge climb with Prince Harry amd Invictus people last year you would have seen how close to the prince he stood and how he tried to get his ugly head into all the photos. There’s the Jacinda Adern thing where he went for the hug instead of the handshake. I’ve seen comments on social media from people FauxMo accosted at coffee shops, coming right up to stand beside them, far too close. And then tonight, with Shorten. He really has no idea. To him (an ultimate narcissist) everything is always about him. He hogs the limelight and thinks nothing of being a space invader.

  7. Good morning Dawn Patrollers.

    The ABC Fact Checker ran the ruler over last night’s debate and gave Shorten a pass., Not so for Morrison.
    Summing up the debate Michelle Grattan says, “Bill Shorten’s many town hall meetings stood him in good stead in the Sky “people’s forum” in Brisbane on Friday night. His engagement with the audience was more direct than Scott Morrison’s, and he packed multiple references to his promises into his answers.”
    The Conversation had several experts give their comments on the debate. The theme of his article is that Morrison has nowhere to hide.
    This effort from Paul Bongiorno is my pick of the crop for today.
    Here’s Sam Maiden’s take on the debate.
    Despite Clive Palmer’s outlandish claims of his party forming government, the United Australia Party leader has a canny election strategy: to benefit his mining interests, writes Mike Seccombe.
    David Crowe reports that Morrison has secured a major statement of support from one-time rival Peter Dutton to ensure the Prime Minister keeps his position as Liberal Party leader whether he wins or loses the federal election. Easy for Dutton to say given that he’s unlikely to hold his seat.
    David Wroe writes about the major parties’ dirt units and the success they are having. And he predicts there’s more to come.
    Phil Coorey writes that now leaders must be ruthless in the social media age and he proposes some rules for them.
    Tim Soutphommasane says that at last we have a choice – social democracy or a Trumpified Liberal Party. A good contribution here.
    Bill Shorten has promised to deliver bigger budget surpluses than the Coalition as he flagged a further crackdown on multinational tax avoidance when he launches Labor’s campaign tomorrow.
    The AFR explains what Labor will do with the establishment of a federal EPA.
    Jack Waterford goes to the rising temperature of climate change politics.
    The Guardian reports that far-right ringleader Neil Erikson was one of three extremists who attended a “conservative recruitment event” for the Liberal National party at a private residence on the Gold Coast last year. Who is pulling the strings?
    Laura Tingle wonders when the swing will become apparent.
    Karen Middleton says that wherever there’s a marginal seat, there’s a politician from the Coalition or Labor pledging millions of dollars. She has heaps of examples.
    Steve Bannon thinks the Aussie election is dull – but is that so bad asks Peter Hartcher.
    Adani’s Carmichael mine is unlikely to go ahead, and most people know it, writes John Quiggin.
    The Adani pile-on continues apace this week with Bob Brown’s Stop Adani convoy, Queensland Government’s rejection of the miner’s management plan for the endangered Black-Throated Finch and the UK’s upping of the global stakes with its “climate emergency”. Ian Dunlop sums up why Adani must be stopped.
    Deborah Snow has written a long puff piece on Morrison for Fairfax Lite.
    Jim Bright posits that great leaders hard to find as those in charge pander to popularism.
    The SMH editorial sheets the blame for uncertainty over climate costs onto the Coalition. Fair enough too.
    And Ross Gittins says that only the stupid think the cost of climate change is simple.
    In a long contribution Shane Wright considers that both Labor’s and the Coalition’s economic vision lack foresight.
    You’ll have to use the Google trick to read this article from Janet Albreschtsen who really onloads on Pauline Hanson.
    Clementine Ford writes that the compulsory ParentsNext program aims to help disadvantaged parents find work. Instead, it has led to financial instability for many participants, who struggle to meet the scheme’s requirements.
    If the Reserve Bank cuts the cash rate next week, don’t count on fireworks at the ASX. Investors’ eyes are firmly on the Fed writes Stephen Bartholomeusz.
    Australia’s largest listed construction company CIMIC has been accused of inflating its profit and hiding its poor performance.
    As election day approaches, both Labor and the Coalition have taken to the social media platform WeChat to appeal to Chinese-Australian voters – even if it might lead to scrutiny by the Chinese government.
    Dr David Shearman discusses the dangers that methane gas is having on our environment and ways we can prevent further damage.
    Adele Ferguson yet again unloads on the franchise industry as she reports that the national bakery chain Michel’s Patisserie faces a food safety investigation after deliberately selling batches of chocolate cakes, birthday cakes and edible decorations to customers months after their use-by date.
    Electric cars: What you need to know about the coming revolution.
    Michael McGowan reports on another day of the Leyonhjelm/Hanson-Young trial.
    Violence and aggression in Victorian state schools has led to the creation of a secret new 24/7 high-security crisis centre in the Melbourne CBD to monitor CCTV and watch emergency incidents unfold. Bloody hell!
    It’s important to understand the true meaning of Islam and recognise the radical extremists who try to sully it, writes Hena Jawaid.
    Theresa May and Jeremy Corbyn have vowed to press ahead with seeking a cross-party solution to the Brexit deadlock at Westminster, after voters punished both major parties in local elections. The Conservatives lost more than 1,200 seats!
    The Washington Post explains how note takers have infuriated Trump.
    The Guardian says that William Barr is acting like Trump’s henchman and seems willing to distort facts, to cunningly parse words, and to condone behaviour that borders on criminality.
    These three have earned nomination for “Arseholes of the Week”. And an arrest!

    Cartoon Corner

    Alan Moir and Abbott’s problems with experts.

    David Rowe has two for us today.

    From Matt Golding.

    Peter Broelman and our candidates dropping like flies.

    Matt Davidson on the war of words.

    An old one from Alan Moir.

    Sean Leahy compares the parties’ candidate screening procedures.

    Jon Kudelka and a new procedure for candidates.

    And he summarises week three f the campaign.

    From the US.

  8. You would think party selection committees would be cracking down on citizenship after past debacles, but apparently they are just as dumb as ever.

    Liberal candidate Mina Zaki’s eligibility to sit in parliament questioned
    Canberra candidate’s renunciation of her Afghan citizenship may be incomplete

    The Liberal candidate for Canberra, Mina Zaki, may be ineligible to sit in parliament because the renunciation of her Afghan citizenship appears to be incomplete.

    Zaki declared she had renounced her Afghan citizenship on 16 April, but the document she provided to the Australian Electoral Commission and Afghan citizenship law both suggest a further step is required for renunciation to be effective.

    In 2018 the high court held it was not sufficient to take “reasonable steps” to renounce foreign citizenship – the renunciation must be effective by the nomination date unless there is an “insurmountable obstacle”.

    A Liberal spokesman disputed that Zaki was ineligible but did not provide further evidence


    • Won’t matter, Libs have buckley’s and none in Canberra – Greens have better chance. With a bit of luck even Zed won’t make a full Senate quota this time, he barely scaped through in 2016. Although if he misses out he’ll probably try to get back into ACT assembly and we don’t want him there either.

  9. Has anyone else that uses Firefox had most of their add on’s killed off including the paywall avoider’s etc? and for those that use Chrome has there been a similar happening?

  10. In last night’s debate, during discussion of school funding, FauxMo talked up the importance of good teachers and said wtte “Give me a great teacher for my kids, I’ll take that over a school hall any day.”

    The man is a bleeping hypocrite. He refuses to send his daughters to a state school, he prefers an expensive private school, Inaburra, at Menai, run by the Baptist Church.

    That school makes a huge deal about its performing arts program (as do many other private schools).

    The school web site has this to say about facilities –

    Inaburra has developed a reputation for its exceptional facilities, which include a fully operational Media Centre, a 650 seat Performing Arts Centre, modern visual arts rooms and well-equipped music and band rooms. Music tuition is conducted in sound proofed labs. Students are also encouraged to keep active in the Gymnasium and Circuit Room and enjoy all-weather Junior School playing fields and Senior School court spaces. Inaburra recently opened a new Stage 3 Learning Centre, Senior School Learning Commons and Junior School Sensory Playground. Read more about these award winning spaces here


    So, no need to worry about not having a school hall then.

  11. Bill Maher (will probably be edited re timing later)

    Starts at 16:40 mark

    New rules 1:03:40

    Overtime (geddit while it’s hot)

    • Looks like someone got a bit carried away with the editing in above full show video.

      So try this one.

      New rules 47:05

  12. Firefox won’t allow me to install any ad blocker.

    Adblock Plus is installed but “Adblock Plus – free ad blocker could not be verified for use in Firefox and has been disabled”

    Tried to install Ghostery “Download failed. Please check your connection”. The connection is just fine.

    Firefox version 66.0.3 (64 bit)

  13. OK!

    Mozilla Firefox users are discovering that all of their addons were suddenly disabled. It turns out that this is being caused by an expired intermediary certificate used to sign Mozilla addons.

    In numerous reports on Reddit, Twitter, and bug reports on bugzilla, users were stating that their Mozilla addons were suddenly disabled. If they tried to reinstall them from the Firefox add-on site they are shown an error stating “Download failed. Please check your connection.”

    From my tests, I was able to install some addons, but not others. This could be due to addons being signed by a different certificate that had not expired.

    According to a bugzilla bug report, an intermediate signing certificate used to sign Mozilla addons expired on 5/4/19 at midnight UTC. As Mozilla addons have to be signed in order to be used in Firefox, once a computer reached that time the browser automatically disabled the addons.

    The last post in this bug report is from Kevin Brosnan, a senior quality assurance engineer at Mozilla, who stated that they are aware of the problem and are looking into it.

    At this point, users of Firefox 66 will have to wait for the certificate to be renewed or for some other update to be pushed out.

    For those who do not want to wait and want to enable their installed extensions immediately, you can install the Developer or Nightly version of Firefox as these versions have the ability to disable the signature requirement for extensions.

    To do this from the Developer or Nightly builds, you can go to about:config and search for xpinstall.signatures.required. Once at the setting, you should toggle the setting to false by double-clicking on it.

    Once this setting is set to false, you should be able to use your disabled addons again.

    This is a developing story


  14. Bleeping NBN!

    I played NBN Lotto and lost, it seems.

    I finally hooked up to the NBN two months ago. My provider assures me I’m getting around 46/47 Mbps, with a maximum 52 possible. So I’m getting what I’m paying for, and that’s good. After a few initial hiccups involving supplied cables that were just a fraction too short everything seemed to be going well, except for an annoying drop-out problem No 1 Son tells me is a problem with the servers, not with me.

    Going well until yesterday afternoon, when the internet died.

    I’m now back to using my phone as a hotspot and buying add-on data packs.

    I just spent an hour or so with a very nice person in a call centre trying to work out what is going on. It looks like it’s the wall socket. (I think it’s more likely the rotting copper the connection comes through.) The phone call and testing involved me crawling under the desk to replace the socket cable with a brand new one which, lucky for me, I just happened to have sitting on the desk. A real, live technician is supposed to turn up within 24 hours. Maybe.

    You cannot have a decent NBN when it relies on a corroded forty year old copper wire to get to your house. The destruction of the NBN by the ATM government should be a huge election issue, but it seems to have been forgotten Why?

    • I was told to apply for a quote to connect fibre to my home rather than to the node. When I tried to apply for a quote, I received a msg that I can’t apply just yet because the lines have not been laid in my street.

      However, they have started digging the holes and the ‘digger-uppers” tell me that the node will be placed just to the right of my driveway and that all I have to do is pay to bore a tunnel under my driveway to my home, +/- $800

      Sounds good but I expect to get the run-around when it is finally possible.

    • I rent, so there’s no way I’m going to pay for a fibre connection, even if one was available, which I don’t think can happen here. My NBN installation was just me unplugging the old ADSL 2 modem and hooking up a new one.

      I know about installing fibre from the entry point in the house to where my wall socket is, my son knows someone who can do it, but I still have to pay for the cable and the installation, and I have other, more urgent uses for my money, like food and car rego.

      Up until yesterday everything was fine. I’ll see what the technician says.

  15. It would be interesting to see how pollsters stratify their samples. If they haven’t adjusted for the million or so new voters they will be in for a shock come election day.

  16. ‘Quite frightening’: the far-right fringe of the election campaign is mobilising
    Extremist groups are presenting themselves as legitimate entities in a way that threatens to reshape Australian politics

    I’m not surprised Anning’s grubby little party is attracting young people.

    And –

    Liberal senator Amanda Stoker billed as speaker for group that wants to ban mosques

    Queensland senator was promoted by Sunshine Coast group that has called Muslims ‘incompatible people’
    A Liberal senator is being promoted as the headline speaker for a group that wants to ban all mosques, has described Islam as a “destroyer of multi culturalism, diversity, democracy and liberty” and linked fires at European churches to the “immigration of incompatible people”.

    The Queensland senator Amanda Stoker is billed as the guest speaker at Sunday’s forum organised by the Sunshine Coast Safe Communities group, an outfit that opposes mosque developments and frequently airs anti-Islamic views.

    Last year, in a Facebook post criticising a Queensland grants program designed to support refugees, it commented:“It is time they realised Islam is the destroyer of multi culturalism [sic], diversity, democracy, and liberty, yet they use it cunningly to shame an unwitting host. The evidence is to be seen in every Islamic ruled Nation. Wake up to the dangers of the one that kills.”


    I don’t think these extreme right-wing parties will do as well as they expect in the election. They all forget one little thing – 2016 was a double dissolution election which meant much lower quotas would get a nutter into the Senate. We can blame the presence of Hanson and her ilk on Turnbull’s ever-so-clever idea to have a DD. This election it’s back to bigger quotas, nutters will need to get a much higher quota than they needed in the last election. I doubt they will achieve that.

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