232 thoughts on “Australia Votes 2019: Part 2 – New South Wales

  1. Still cranky.

    As KK told us earlier this afternoon the SMH has had a story about Shorten allegedly dodging scrutiny and claiming he doesn’t want to debate with FauxMo as their top news story for most of the day. It was rubbish and they knew it but they still left it there for most of the afternoon.

    It was taken down at 4.15 this afternoon and replaced by a new story by David Crowe – Grrrrrr – which is about Shorten “flagging a third election debate” which is more factual but has been pushed down to the last headline story.

    No withdrawal of the rubbish they published this morning, a day or two after other, more honest media had reported Monday’s debate was locked in, and wich was still there hours after Shorten had announced he had a debate booked with Sky and was open to a third with the ABC. (The news about the third came later.)

    The NPC is disappointed they won’t get to host a debate, they say they are the most trusted neutral venue. I’d argue with that, having seen the way they have treated past Labor PMs and LOTOs.

    No wonder voters are fed up with the MSM. Certain journalists refuse to tell us what Labor is doing, won’t report on any policy announcements Shorten and his team make, churn out lies and garbage and then whinge when their dross is not greeted with rapturous applause.

    • I don’t agree with the kind of trolling and personal abuse that is dished out by some of the Twitter users but I strongly support it’s use to put professional journalists on notice. They are professional wordsmiths after all and if they can’t use a platform (either print or online) to express themselves clearly and unambiguously then what are they being paid for?
      Ellen Fanning would seem to not have chosen her words wisely (or though about their effect beyond short term impact) and I for one like to see them being held to account. Pre-Twitter we didn’t have that capacity and although some twitter users are ‘not of a high standard’ in their discourse, the pressure on journalists to professionally report on issues of public interest are well served by scrutiny.

  2. FauxMo has to agree to a third debate at the NPC now. He’s riskiing ridicule if he doesn’t agree, after the allegations about Shorten that were made earlier today.

    The Labor move would explain why this morning’s Crowe article has completely disappeared – the usual suspects want to protect FauxMo.

    • Anything to put a negative spin eh! Instead of ‘has agreed to’ it’s ‘backtracked’. This is how they get a negative message into the mindset of voters. Same with tone of voice on radio and tv. Brainwashing I tells ya!

    • What she neglected to say is that she never really bothered to think before she said it, she just echoed the sort of stuff you hear in the media nowadays. It’s a ‘talking point’ so she feels free to reinforce it even if it has no proper basis in reality. Or relevance, I should add. She should know better too. She can be a reasonably incisive journalist. To reduce herself to what’s effectively selective poll-watching is bad enough; to double down on it by defending it is worse.

      In some respects an election is a popularity contest. But I see no reason why political journalists should treat it as such. Why should they simply reinforce perceptions and pretend it’s political analysis. They should be discussing policies, that’s supposedly their vocation. Anyone can read a number and say, “this means this”. What the electorate needs to know is what they’re actually voting for, how the economic and social landscape would differ under each of the opposing parties. That’s what matters, and we get precious little of it from the press gallery.

      I clearly recall 2013. The entire press gallery point blank refused to analyse Abbott’s stupid and simplistic dot-point policies. A lot of what he said didn’t make sense, and was easily debunked. But they wouldn’t do it, they just kept on talking about ‘momentum’. This year’s no different, fundamentally. They won’t touch the Coalition’s many failures in office or the ALP’s detailed policy initiatives. They just want to talk about a ‘popularity contest’. They’re the ones reducing politics to its most banal and lowest-common-denominator triviality. No-one else. They have to wear the storm of protest they’re copping. They really need to lift their game.

    • They won’t mention the bleeding obvious either –
      1 – the PM should be the preferred PM
      2 – FauxMo’s PPM numbers are dismal. He can;t get over 50%, never has since becoming PM, yet the MSM cheer every 1 pint increase as a major victory.
      3 -the LOTO has never been PM so why would anyone prefer an unknown?

      The whole PPM thing is just a furphy invented to give journalists a positive headline when a government is on the way out.

      Any journalist who keeps on trotting out that tired “Shorten is not well-liked/is not popular” line should hand in their Press Gallery membership and retire to growing pumpkins or making macrame wall hangings.They would be a lot more use if they did that than they are as reporters of politics.

    • There is a wholesale misconception about leadership. In the case of my (recently discarded) employer, the NSW DoE, their concept of leadership is anyone who mindlessly and unquestingly carries out their policies. No concern for Workload or Welfare of those giving their all at the ‘chalkface’.

      I have had good leaders, and strangely I liked most of them but liking was never a prerequisite especially as a young teacher I earned the ire of a supervisor and needed ‘direction’.

      What is essential in a leader is that they can be respected and this comes from the respect shown to those they are responsible for. At no point has Scrott demonstrated anything like respect for the voting public.

      As for Bill? He does at least seem genuine but this will play out in full if elected. PPM? Crock of S*#$.

  3. Totally random event but was sitting in the Canberra Centre today with HI having a very nice cup of coffee and who should wander past but John Hewson looking very well. Not a wedding cake in sight!

  4. Good morning Dawn Patrollers.

    Peter Hartcher writes that around the world, market economies are under stress. The Opposition Leader’s plans to lift fairness – and wages – might be the tonic our economy needs.
    Shane Wright on Morrison’s deflections from questions on the deteriorating state of the economy.
    A very good examination here from Paul Bongiorno of the Coalition’s campaign.
    Karen Middleton reveals how former AFP chief Mick Keelty, in his capacity as the Northern Basin commissioner for the Murray–Darling Basin, is examining links between political donations and water licences, and calling for proceeds-of-crime laws to be expanded.
    Katharine Murphy has a detailed look at Day 16 of the campaign.
    Martin McKenzie-Murray writes that while high-profile candidate Julian Burnside has animated the Greens in Kooyong, party strategists fear there is a lot to lose.
    Bill Shorten says he is “not convinced” on the union movement’s demand that he extend industry-wide bargaining rights beyond low-paid industries, as the ACTU unveils a massive ad blitz calling for a dramatic rewriting of workplace laws.
    Labor has angrily rejected suggestions it dragged its feet on national security after Scott Morrison used the example of just one unlegislated bill to criticise the opposition in the aftermath of the Sri Lanka attacks.
    Mike Seccombe tells us that data shows the Coalition’s 2016 election victory hinged on just three ethnically diverse seats – Banks, Reid and Chisholm. This time around Labor is shaping its campaign around winning back these communities.
    Ross Gittins reveals that the sad reality is that every year huge amounts of taxpayers’ money is wasted on infrastructure – and much of the damage is begun in election campaigns.
    Laura Tingle writes that if the government wasn’t so determined to paint itself as a small government party that is mostly interested in giving taxpayers a tax cut, it might have addressed the funding crisis in aged care.
    Stephen Koukoulas explains how the RBA has an inflation problem.
    The AFR posits that the Coalition could win the election by limiting losses in Victoria and Queensland and picking up seats in NSW, Tasmania and the Northern Territory.
    It wasn’t just the umpires that gave patrons the shits at the Anzac Day AFL match!
    Shane Wright explains why death taxes could actually be a good idea.
    Why voters under 30 will be crucial to the election result.
    Sam Maiden describes saviour Clive Palmer as a false prophet for the Libs.
    Michelle Grattan writes about Palmer’s “flypaper sticky” deal with Morrison.
    Adele Ferguson tells us how Wacka Williams has said it’s time for regulators to lose the feather and use the sledgehammer. Fair Work Australia in particular.
    And the SMH says it’s time for law makers to stand up for victims of franchise scandals. It says the industry’s governing code is a joke. Its provisions are farcical and when breached the penalties are pathetic.
    Paula Matthewson cuts through the election lies to find the truth.
    The benefit of hindsight is a wonderful thing and in the wake of the Murray-Darling ‘disaster’, water allocations from the Fitzroy River in north-western Australia region are being approached with extreme caution.
    The inquiry into the federal government’s spendathon on government contracts, especially on that global elite of corporate welfare recipients, the Big Four audit firms, has been axed — because of the federal election, we are told. The paradox is that the blow-out in government costs comes despite claims by the Government that the outsourcing binge is all about “small government”.
    Coalition MP Kevin Hogan has left the door open to sitting on the crossbench if Bill Shorten wins the May election, turning him into a key figure in the event of a hung Parliament.
    A federal Liberal candidate for the seat of Scullin has apologised for linking same-sex marriage with paedophilia during the marriage equality debate, after being questioned by The Age.
    Homeowners hoping that a widely-predicted cut in the Reserve Bank’s cash interest rate will breathe some life into the property market will be disappointed writes Elizabeth Knight.
    John Wren takes a walk on the campaign trail, uncovering scandals, misinformation and a PHONy or two.
    The parent of a man who has been in gaol explains why there is next to no rehabilitation occurring. Unsurprisingly privatisation gets a mention.
    Jim Bright explains why social media platforms are no place to conduct work disputes.
    Some journalists have launched a defence of mainstream reporters suggesting that social media criticism of journalists is coming from a “Trumpian” perspective. This view has also been expressed in a recent column by ABC talking head, Michael Rowland.
    What is it about dogs and fleas?
    US Deputy Attorney-General Rod Rosenstein has hit back hard against politicians and the press, and warned that hacking and social media manipulation are “only the tip of the iceberg” when it comes to Russian efforts to influence American elections.
    Anne Summers looks at the choices facing the US Democrats as they commence the convoluted process to select a presidential candidate.
    The London Telegraph opines that Trump has just taken the biggest economic gamble of his presidency.
    Trump has announced that the US will withdraw its support for a United Nations treaty regulating the multibillion-dollar global arms trade.
    Of all people Fox News senior judicial analyst Andrew Napolitano has argued that Donald Trump did obstruct justice, with “unlawful, defenceless and condemnable” behaviour related to the investigation of Russian interference in the 2016 election.
    This upstart doctor has earned nomination for “Arsehole of the Week”.

    Cartoon Corner

    Alan Moir takes us to the election battleground.

    A bit of ying and yang from David Rowe.

    Andrew Dyson at the polling booths.

    Matt Davison on infrastructure promises.

    Zanetti on Palmer’s preference deal.

    I think Sean Leahy is on the money with this one.

    Jon Kudelka looks ahead to the possible MPC debate.

    From the US

  5. Ken Hogan, alleged National MP, has been sitting on the crossbench since the last leadership change, as a protest, but has remained a National and always votes with his party.

    What would be so different if he decides to stay on the crossbench should he be re-elected?

    He’s always going to vote with his Coalition colleagues. He won’t be giving Labor confidence and supply in the unlikely event we have a hung parliament.

    Hogan says he has not decided where he will sit. Pffft. Of course he has decided. I notice his web page does not mention “National” at all,although it retains the Nats green, but that’s not unusual. Many conservative politicians are studiously avoiding any mention of their party affiliation.

    Hogan is just seeking attention, he’s trying to swing a few wavering voters his way after realising he might soon be a former politician. Trying to get voters to believe you are an independent when you are actually a staunch party member is a low act.

  6. How about this for an idea as soon as a Federal election is call and all MP’s and Senators return to their electorates etc, that all tax payer funding stops, instead of the current farcical situation that this only happens after the party’s have their official launch. Which appears to be delayed as long as possible to keep snouts in troughs. State and Territory to follow suit. now for the howls back to my meds, stay alert everyone we need more lerts.

  7. Still party people ? 🙂

    ……..a “social capital” score to the world’s nations, ranking them out of 100 in categories such as strength of personal relationships, civic participation and social network support.

    The 10 most sociable countries
    New Zealand – 68.95 (out of 100)
    Australia – 67.60
    Canada – 66.23
    United States – 65.45
    Iceland – 65.34
    Norway – 65.06
    Denmark – 64.49
    Malta – 63.77
    Germany – 63.21
    Ireland – 63.09

  8. Here is a display in Melbourne which may interest Pubsters.


    As the V&A’s blockbuster show of 2016, Revolutions: Records and Rebels (in the UK known as You Say You Want a Revolution) attracted nearly a quarter of a million visitors. Its latest incarnation in Australia contains more than 500 items from the V&A and Museums Victoria’s own collection, and has broadened in scope from 1966 – 1970 to 1966 – 1972.

  9. Meanwhile in Sandropia, it’s just a seat poll but why not just sit back and enjoy the headline anyway ? 🙂

    Federal Election 2019: Liberal Party’s blue-ribbon seat of Curtin ‘hanging by thread’, according to new poll

    The Liberal Party is facing a huge swing of more than 20 per cent against it in the prized blue-ribbon seat of Curtin, which would be the party’s worst result in the electorate since 1996, according to a new poll.


  10. Bill Maher – (not the best quality but no ads)

    New rules 47:10

    Better quality but with ads –

    New rules 44:50

    Overtime (geddit while it’s hot)

  11. An excellent question,Mrs Slurrie –

    • Shorten is powerful at the moment, even a bit shouty, but with reasons. Whatever he accuses Fm of is based on facts, not lies.

  12. Gippy Laborite

    Or anyone else. Just looked at the senate in Victoria. 1. Labor 2. ? 3.? 4. ? 5. ? 6. ?

    Heeelllppp, or does anyone know how Labor would prefer us to vote?

    • My advice –

      Vote below the line
      You need to number 12 candidates.
      Labor has six candidates in Victoria so just number all the Labor ones in any order you like.
      Choose anyone else you want to make up the 12 votes.
      Who cares how Labor wants you to vote? Just do your own thing.
      It is no longer necessary to number every candidate if you vote below the line. As long as you have at least 12 numbered you are OK.

      Don’t vote above the line. If you do you have to number 6 parties/groups, and you will end up numbering people you don’t want anywhere near the Senate.

      Be very careful when it comes to the new micro-parties like Sustainable Australia. Have a look at their policies before you vote, some of them are thinly disguised nutters, others don’t even bother with a disguise.

      Do your research, Senate voting is a real trap. It’s no wonder we keep ending up with a Senate crossbench full of nutters.

      I love the ratings on the site GL recommended. They range from “Far Right Dumpster Fire” for ON and Anning’s National Conservatives” to “Centre-Left Tolerable” for Labor.. It really makes you realise how many nutters are running and is very clear on what parties/candidates to avoid at all cost.

  13. Been booked for a back operation on may 16 (if it happens) so going to toddle off for my pre poll Monday. Then I can ignore it as far as my vote is concerned but won’t stop me trying to engage with family and friends and other people I run into. Nothing offical but I’ve been trying to steer people towards Labor for months. Think I’ve had a few successes as well. At least I hope I have. I have no idea when it comes to preferences, apart from the RWNJ’s and greens being WAY down the list. That is actually my big problem. I know who my number one vote is going to, even though I don’t personally like the candidate or some of their views I support the Labor policies. What to do down the ticket is where it gets confusing, especially when it comes to the Senate.

    • Good luck on the 16th. You’ll have a captive audience for a few days, so you can try and convert them to the good guys.

    • Best wishes for your op, and let’s hope it happens as planned and you don’t get bumped down the list to a later date.

      Senate voting is a real minefield. you need to study before you vote, no matter whether you choose above or below the line. Not many voters bother.

  14. Gippy Laborite

    Thanks. I looked at Antony Greens site. Of the party’s that are running here in Gippy the only two I’d put my numbers for are Labor and very very reluctantly green, all the others except Ricky Muira(SFF) seem to be complete nutters.

    • That’s exactly my problem. I’m in Tassie and am leaning towards the indy Craig Garland in the senate for my second preference after Lisa Singh as first. All these fringe parties are doing my head in.

  15. I am getting really tired of people telling me that “all politicians are alike in their lies”, and that the ALP “has never made a difference but only made things worse when they get into power”.
    Actual facts, like the doubled national debt or increasing loss of civil liberties, only get me a metaphoric pat on the head and statements on the line of “well you are young and naive”.

    Which hurts, specially when I’m older than some of the people doing that to me and can actually remember weird shite like PM Whitlam actually making a difference, and how many of the advances made during Liberal governments have been made in spite of, rather than because of, those governments.

    I wish I knew what to say (appart from “we are constantly told by the media that the LNP and ALP are all the same”) to encourage a more open attitude to politics – we might get better quality politicians out of it?
    *sighs sadly*

    • I had a Facebook argument with my daughter about that a few months ago.

      She posted a comment about voting informal because “they are all the same”. She’s smarter than that, I suspect this has been coming from her husband and his family. I flew at her, online, and tried to talk some sense into her. I think it worked, she was happy to talk about it last time we spoke in person. I raised her to be a Labor voter, I’m not having her decide in her late 30s that “all politicians are the same” because they most certainly are not.

  16. Zac Beers is the Labor candidate for Flynn.

  17. Thanks for the good wishes people but I’ll believe it’s happened when I wake up in recovery. I’ve got a neurosurgeon doing the op but as there are only two for the whole state, well will have to see what happens and hope there are no nasty incidents pop up on the day

  18. Good morning Dawn Patrollers.

    This contribution from Peter FitzSimons on #watergate is well worth reading. Quite a scoop in fact.
    As the election campaign tightens, the Labor leader carries the weight of huge expectations. But he is determined to run his own race writes Katharine Murphy in s lengthy essay.
    Michelle Grattan says Morrison will seek to bring the debate over immigration and refugees to the centre of the election campaign, with an announcement that a Coalition government would freeze the humanitarian intake.
    Tony Wright explains how up and down the dry irrigation country people are declaring themselves angry enough to turn their backs on the National and Liberal parties that have always held political sway in this slice of the country.
    Labor is set to up the ante on child care support.
    Shane Wright tells us that Scott Morrison faces a narrow path if he is to win the May 18 election, while Bill Shorten has a string of ways he can find himself in the Lodge.
    The Conversation looks at the state of the states, Palmer’s preference deal and watergate woes.
    Michael Koziol tells us how Ewan Jones, a former Coalition MP for the seat devastated by Clive Palmer’s business record, has slammed Morrison’s preference deal with the “vacuous” mining magnate, and says he is shocked and disgusted Australians are considering voting for him.
    And Labor has launched a full-frontal attack on Prime Minister Scott Morrison, claiming a preference deal between the Coalition and Clive Palmer would deliver the most “extreme right-wing” government in Australian history.
    Millions of dollars from a federal government program for capital projects at under-resourced schools have been directed to facilities at “elite” private institutions, prompting claims from the public school teachers’ union about unfair funding levels in the education system. How can this spending possibly be justified?
    Jacqui Maley calls for a political arms race on women’s issues.
    Disillusionment with capitalism is leading to a profound loss of trust – not just in capitalism but in many of our institutions. Fixing it really matters writes Fiona Guthrie.
    Caitlin Fitzsimmons says that the young will not forgive the old for leaving them a depleted natural world and a precarious future.
    “If the boss needs to spy on your emails, do you want to work there?”, asks Claire Kimball.
    Eryk Bagshaw goes to New England where Joyce is still favoured to win.
    Anti-vaxxers are taking populism to a new, deadly level says Gaby Hinsliff.
    A scare campaign falsely claiming Labor plans to introduce school programs teaching students how to have gay sex is being circulated on Chinese social media, in the latest sign of “fake news” infiltrating the federal election.
    Matthew Knott explains Trump and the American ‘impeachment anxiety syndrome’.
    The Guardian says Joe Biden is the Hillary Clinton of 2020 – and it won’t end well this time either.
    Paul Erlich opines that the world is doomed.
    Is the NRA having some internal issues? I hope so!

    A sparse Cartoon Corner

    Simon Letch on women’s electoral choice.

    From Matt Golding.

    For some reason Zanetti is rubbing it in to Shorten over Palmer.

    From the US

  19. So, that galaxy poll. lnp have lost 5% primary, Labor have gained two since the last election. Labor would have won in 2016 if it had happened then.

  20. The bookies are coming for Sussan

    The couple live in the seat of Farrer, which runs for 126,000 square kilometres on the NSW side of the Victorian border. It takes in the state seat of Murray and a portion of Barwon, two seats that fell to the Shooters Fishers and Farmers in the recent state election.

    If there is one theme that runs through the political conversations, it is uncertainty. People are angry and worried about their future, and that may decide the future of the sitting Liberal MP, Sussan Ley. Water is the key issue driving her challenger, Mack, the mayor of Albury and a former policeman. Even on a margin of more than 20%, Liberals are beginning to worry. Betting agencies have already priced Mack for the win.

    Central to all the election issues – whether it’s the basin plan, drought policy, mental health services, housing or political integrity – is a loss of faith in government.


    Mack 1.55
    Ley 2.20


  21. Fantastic work from Peter FitzSimons, getting the Ronni Salt scoop.

    Do not forget – Taylor’s wife, Louse Clegg, is a barrister practicing at P G Hely Chambers, a Sydney law firm. She has all the right contacts to get pro bono work for her husband. No doubt she intends to send his critics to the poorhouse ASAP. I believe the threats come from her instructions.

    This would be why every journalist and media person commenting on Watergate includes an emphatic “Of course I do not believe there has been any corrupt activity from Angus Taylor” statement in their work. We know why they are doing that.

    Also – Taylor and Clegg have four teenage children, two boys and two girls, and they just love being photographed with them. Happy family snaps are great PR for a politician. You have to wonder who looks after these kids (when they are not safely locked up in their boarding schools) while Mummy and Daddy are off having high-flying careers. An imported au pair, perhaps? A team of imported au pairs?

  22. From the article in The Conversation –

    FauxMo pretending to shear a sheep for the cameras – what a set-up!

    I hope that poor animal is OK.

  23. Bill Shorten has promised to expand Medicare to include dental care for pensioners and for seniors with Commonwealth Seniors Health Cards.

    That should win a few votes.

    Video coming soon.

    • Leone, I insist that the moderators of this blog give you a golden echinda for your wonderful job of putting up these videos.

      I seen a couple of Shorten’s speeches that makes me go Wow, but this one is a wowowowowow.

      As I have no lateral thinking, I wonder how scummo and the msm will turn this into something bad. I personally think this will almost have to leave scummo’s announcement today about refugee caps for dead.

      The picture that Bill built in this speech was wonderful. All their policies are and will work to make this happen if Labor get elected.

    • The clear difference between Labor’s policies and those of the Libs is Labor’s are all about making things better for us all while the L:ibs are all about fear and hate. The only way they can try to hang on to government is to tell outrageous lies and try to whip up hate.

      FauxMo’s announcement about a cap on australia’s humanitarian intake today is just pandering to the haters. He is trying to hang on to the votes of right-wing extremists.

      The difference between the two parties is very stark. You really wonder why anyone would choose to vote for the Libs now.

      Shorten has been demolishing the “both parties are the same” lie for a long time, today completely reduced it to dust.

    • I listened to it. Shorten was powerful. A bit Whitlamesque, said HO… He offers a lot and it’s useful, constructive and positive. Ugly Fm is a wrecker like Abbott, even worse. Not one vision, not one important humane policy. He’s getting more and more mean and warlike. He is quite despicable just looking at him smirking.

  24. It’s time to fund preschool education the same way we fund primary school

    There shouldn’t be room for operators to massive profits from an essential service

    Australia needs to control the equity and quality of activities provided

    • My eldest was an early beneficiary of Gough Whitlam’s preschool policy. The preschool he attended was built with funding from the Whitlam government and was community run. I can’t remember how much it cost to send a child there but it was a very slight amount.

      Howard changed everything with his massive privatisation of the whole early childhood set-up. Another reason to loathe him.

  25. FMD. Sky News .Scrott to freeze refugee numbers to help “ease congestion in big cities”.

  26. Simon Birmingham has lashed out at Liberal-turned-independent Julia Banks for preferencing Labor ahead of the Coalition in Flinders, a move which could cost health minister Greg Hunt his seat in parliament.

    Birmingham accused Banks of “gross inconsistency”, as backroom negotiations spilt out into public spats ahead of early voting opening on Monday.


    Well, that’s the point!

  27. The ‘WOW’ has landed.
    Peter van Onselen

    Verified account

    11m11 minutes ago
    Newspoll tomorrow….WOW!!!

    50 replies . 3 retweets 27 likes
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