The Prime Muppet’s Bible

For some strange reason, I’ve had the feeling for quite a while that any resemblance between extreme evangelical Christian scripture and that of mainstream Christianity is accidental at best.

As I’ve said before, I am an atheist, but from my education (not my family upbringing) I am very familiar with the Bible, especially the King James version. I’ve also read it, including the Apocrypha. (And I’ve read the Koran, and numerous Buddhist and Hindu texts).

So, tonight I am wondering what bits of the “mainstream” Bible our dear Prime Muppet might adhere to.

My choice should be obvious by the image above.

Yours? (Play fair, only one nomination per Pubster).


193 thoughts on “The Prime Muppet’s Bible

  1. Pick the terrorist

    Shire Ali, 30, stabbed three people in Melbourne’s CBD on Friday, killing renowned restaurateur Sisto Malaspina.

    Bourke Street driver James Gargasoulas has been found guilty of murdering six pedestrians and recklessly injuring another 27 when he sped along a footpath in Melbourne’s CBD last year.

    Hint: one white and one not.

  2. The Senate has rejected a bid by Peter Dutton to subject 108 asylum seekers in Australia to a fast-track refugee application process that limits their rights of appeal.

    On Tuesday evening the Senate voted 33 to 29 against extending the reach of the fast-track process, with Labor, the Greens, Centre Alliance and Tim Storer combining to pass a disallowance motion moved by Greens senator Nick McKim.

  3. At least we know all scummos man bits are in working order.

    Deuteronomy 23:1 King James Version (KJV)

    23 He that is wounded in the stones, or hath his privy member cut off, shall not enter into the congregation of the Lord.

  4. I too read the Bible when I was around 12 or 13. A lot of shitty religious stuff happening in my family, extended family and neighbourhood. My first childhood friend was a brother of Gerald Ridsdale. So you can get an idea of where I was coming from
    I was an avid reader and needed to figure out what all this crap was about so I read the bible, It didn’t enlighten me at all but it sure put me off organised religion. That was only Catholics and Protestants it wasn’t until later when I crossed paths with some of the stranger cults that I finally said nah none of this makes any sense and finally called myself an Atheist.
    My mother in law is a Seventh Day Adventist (yes my wife is too) and calls me an atheist like it’s a swear word. If she called me a c—t it couldn’t be as nasty sounding, pfft water off a ducks back.
    At least I have read the bible, she hates it when she quotes bible at me and I can answer her with bits she hasn’t read because they don’t fit her churchs story..

  5. So Rusted Nut you and your wife are tied together by your knowledge of the bible

    I come from a long line of heathens, the sort of people who would go to church if that was the only way to meet potential life partners, avoid the milking. When I compare us to other families I can proudly say we don’t have a spiritual bone on our bodies

    My father decided at university that his future family would be atheist, we went to Sunday School so the parents could have a peaceful lie in, attended a church school as the state school was overcrowded and the catholic school was even more overcrowded (that was never an option). My mother used to enjoy arguing the bible with the door to door Jehovah’s Witnesses to dad’s disgust

    • Essentially what my parents did, too, Billie.

      Their decision to send me to a religious school had to do – at that point in Canberra – with the ‘quality’ of the state/Commonwealth schools.

      And I do thank them for that.

  6. Getting back to Foodbank and who OzHarvest has been schmoozing – I would guess Richard Pratt or David Gonski made appeals on their behalf.

    OzHarvest have been on a massive volunteer recruitment drive it’s the fashionable charity du jour.
    A friend volunteered to work as kitchen hand in their preparation kitchen. Volunteers get rostered on different days to their mates. Very Lady Bountiful dispensing charity to the deserving poor.

    Foodbank works with local established community charities to supply food parcels

    About 2 decades ago I saw a food parcel on a tram, full of PMU soups (yes they still existed), white bread, tinned sausages, tomato sauce

  7. I quoted this the other day, in referring to FauxMo.

    Matthew 23:26-28. Jesus was talking about hypocrites.

    Thou blind Pharisee, cleanse first that which is within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also.

    Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men’s bones, and of all uncleanness.

    Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity

    i think that’s a fair description of the interim prime minister.

    I’m very familiar with the Bible, although not as much as I was when I was younger. My Mum, for a while, used to keep a Bible on her bedside table, but only because she once announced she intended to read it all before she died, and that involved reading a bit every night. She managed to complete that task in what I thought was record time, although I think she skipped a lot of the New Testament writings of St Paul – she thought he was a grumpy old woman-hater. She used to take great delight in telling her daughters the very salacious stories in the old Testament. You don’t hear about those in church.

    • All the more incentive to get the young ones to read and learn the practical skills of independent research

      All part of G*d’s plan

    • Ah, Leone, I love you – and your mum – so much!

      She’s right: St Saul was a grumpy old woman-hater.

      And yes, many parts of the OT are ripping good reads. As one used to be able to find, in the bibles handed out at the start of the services back in the olden days.

  8. Dawkins had it right in The God Delusion

    “The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.”

    • The question is, what happened between the last bit of the OT and the start of the NT?

      Was God converted? If so, by whom, and when, and how, and by whom, and why?

      Or did he read the Apocrypha and realise he’d better come up with a better story?

    • I’ve always been entertained by the idea that the Temple of Cybele (she of the castrated priests) may have once stood where St Peter’s basilica, or the Vatican, now stands. (and there are still blokes swanning around in frocks in that locations *g*)
      The bit that gets me that, even as a child in the UK, I was aware that there were so many cults racketing round Rome at the time the books of the bible were selected, that it can be fun trying to work out which bits have been grafted on and from where.

      I have always had a soft spot for this particular ‘gospel song’ given that particular tidbit (and one can always find/write/invent new verses!) *chuckles suitably wickedly*

  9. Still having fun

    Finally, after months of procrastination, the government and parliament are reaching the point where choices about Brexit that ministers and MPs have been avoiding since the summer of 2016 can no longer be put off. Some key decisions may be taken within the next 24 hours; others in the run-up to the parliamentary vote (which we are now expecting in mid-December, after an EU summit expected at the end of November).

    EU 27, and they themselves, have put the UK to the sword.

  10. Tessa is trying to noble the system. I don’t think it’ll work: the DUP is very not happy

    The leaders of the four main opposition parties in Westminster – Jeremy Corbyn for Labour, Vince Cable for the Lib Dems, Ian Blackford for the SNP and Liz Saville Roberts for Plaid Cymru – have written to the prime minister demanding a “truly meaningful vote”. Here’s the full text of their letter:

    We are writing to you with regard to an issue of the utmost importance: That is to ensure that Parliament has a truly meaningful vote on any Brexit withdrawal agreement.

    Recent interventions from government ministers have suggested that you and your government may seek to limit or constrain the process on the final vote, in an attempt to muzzle Parliament. We want to be clear that this would be wholly unacceptable.

    In particular, paragraph six of the government’s memorandum on the issue stated that: “Amendments could have the effect – whether deliberately or accidentally – of inhibiting the government’s legal ability to ratify the withdrawal agreement”.

    We believe that Parliament should be able to consider, debate and vote on amendments before a decisive vote on the substantive motion. That would give this sovereign parliament an opportunity to express its view over the terms of departure from the EU. It is unthinkable that Parliament could be silenced at such a crucial period for the country.

    We recognise that it will be necessary for a business motion to be agreed by the House to govern arrangements for consideration of this motion. But the existing procedures, which include limiting debate to 90 minutes, are not appropriate. So a much more extensive business motion will be needed for this crucial issue.

    As a minimum, any motion to this House must include the possibility for multiple amendments to be tabled, with the Speaker able to select multiple amendments to be taken before the main motion. While we recognise Parliament will have to approve ordisapprove any agreement, it would be reckless to present this vote as take-it-or-leave-it without Parliament being able to suggest an alternative.

    We, as party leaders, have championed parliamentary scrutiny and engagement throughout this process and, throughout the debate, we have had repeated assurances from across the dispatch box that MPs would be able to express their support for alternative options. Now, it seems the government has abandoned its willingness to let Parliament take back control and seems determined to limit the role of this sovereign parliament.

    We believe Parliament must be allowed to express its view and hold the executive to account. This would not be possible if Parliament was unable to table, debate and consider amendments before any decision on the substantive motion.

  11. 1846 is getting a big mention. Interesting stuff

    However, in 1846 disaster struck when the party split over the repeal of the Corn Laws. Peel and most senior Conservatives favoured repeal, but they were opposed by backbench members representing farming and rural constituencies, led by Lord George Bentinck, Benjamin Disraeli, and Lord Stanley (later the Earl of Derby), who favoured protectionism. Following repeal, the Protectionists combined with the Whigs to overthrow Peel’s government. It would be twenty-eight years before a Conservative Prime Minister again had a majority in the House of Commons.

  12. Good morning Dawn Patrollers.

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    And for “Arsehole of the Week” we have . . .

    Cartoon Corner

    Davide Rowe checks in Morrison’s baggage as he heads off to Indonesia.

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    An even better one from Alan Moir.

    And Moir launches into the blue bus!

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    More in here.

  13. Wouldn’t it be wonderful if these visiting “dignitaries” and their families were taken to view the dead parts of the Great Barrier reef. Maybe then some of them would understand what climate change is doing to our planet.

    Mike Pence staying in Cairns during APEC summit in Papua New Guinea as security operation ramps up

    The ABC understands Mr Pence will arrive in Cairns on Friday on Air Force Two.

    It is understood Mr Pence will fly back and forth from Port Moresby, choosing to stay in a hotel in Cairns, rather than stay in Port Moresby each night

    Pence, like FauxMo, is a devout born-again evangelical Christianist, so devout he follows a Billy Graham rules that says married men should not spend time alone with women who are not their wives. He’s also so devoutly Christianist that he sees nothing wrong in spending a fortune on flying back and forth from Cairns to PNG on Air Force Two every day of APEC, just because he doesn’t want to stay in a developing country. He likes his comfort, apparently, and prefers to have it provided by white people. Would he do the same thing if he had to pay those airfares himself? Of course not. It’s the Chrisitianist way to bludge, to expect to be treated like a visiting demi-god, to spend money provided by others on oneself. He has all the qualifications for a post-politics career as a televangelist. “Send me your money, God want me to have a new private jet and a holiday in the Bahamas”.

    Pence and FauxMo have so much in common, I’m sure they will find lots to talk about during their time together. I don’t think pressing international issues will get much of a mention though. They just don’t have the main thing they need to be international leaders – intelligence.

  14. For the “If his lips are moving he’s lying” file –

    • The thread for this degenerated into a debate about whether Morrison should or should not answer questions asked of him by journalists (as in, “What was he supposed to do if someone asked him about the Victorian election?”) Which is quite amusing given the standard procedure for politicians is not to answer any question they don’t want to answer. It would have been quite simple for Morrison to respond, “As I said, I’m here to pay my respects. Any questions on other matters can be put to me at a more appropriate time.”

      Morrison has two modes in pressers/public appearances:

      1. Snap denial of any thorny question, no matter how convoluted or dubious the response. Done in a kind of sing-song, ‘I’m talking to an idiot’ tone of voice. (answer 1, above)

      2. Instinctive electioneering mode whenever and wherever the opportunity presents. Done in a kind of cheery, matey tone. (answer 2, above)

      I’m not sure he can do anything else. A range of responses is required of a leader, from compassion to empathy to diplomacy to deflection to outrage to whatever depending on the circumstances. Only relying on two to get by is what makes Morrison come across as so false. He can’t inspire confidence or respect, he doesn’t have it in him. He’s the personification of PR middle-management.

  15. Federal crossbenchers will introduce a bill in weeks for a national integrity commission, with wide-ranging powers covering politicians, agencies, lobbyists and private contractors where they are directly dealing with government, such as the NDIS.

    It follows through on a warning to Scott Morrison’s minority government after the Wentworth byelection that crossbenchers would use the balance of power in a minority parliament to push for a anti-corruption body.

    The draft bill would also include an independent parliamentary advisor, a code of conduct for politicians, whistleblower protection and education for politicians and public servants.

  16. What an absolute debacle the Myhealth opt-out issue has become.

    The Senate defeated Labor’s motion to extend the opt-out period for 12 months, instead they went with a ON amendment to extend it only until 31 January next year.

    Now for the ludicrous part – the opt-out period ends tomorrow, the extension of the opt-out period cannot take effect until the Reps return on 26 November and the amendment passes both houses. No-one knows if they will pass this change or not, it probably all comes down to Bob Katter, and whether or not he bothers to show up for the vote. What happens to those people who wanted to opt out but couldn’t, for whatever reason? Do they get a record they don’t want? Will they be stuck with it? Will they be able to sue?

    The website crashed again this morning, making opting out just that bit more difficult.

    This government can’t manage privacy concerns, can’t create an effective website and couldn’t agree to a simple extension of a timeframe out of political spite.

    While this is going on FauxMo is still telling lies about his failure to get the FTA with Indonesia signed. The Indonesians say it will not be signed until we either have a change of government or FauxMo gives up his Trump-inspired plans to move our embassy in Israel to Jerusalem. FauxMo insists the embassy brainfart has nothing to do with it, it’s all because of “process” and everything is wonderful.

    I suppose someone on the Titanic thought a fresh supply of crushed ice for the champagne buckets was a wonderful thing too.

  17. In case you can’t open the above

    • In Mordialloc the Liberals are fielding 2 stooges Reid & Nolan to funnel preferences to their candidate Gledhill

      So to extrapolate I reckon in Geelong that Darryn Lyon, WOLF, Gottfried and JUHASZ, Stephen are Liberal stooges to funnel preferences to Liberal candidate FIDGE, Freya

  18. Why are people so damn stupid?

    Seeing comments on Twitter now about the Myhealth opt-out along the lines “the Senate has extended the opt-out period so there’s plenty of time “.

    Er – no!

    The Senate has voted for an amendment to extend the opt-out period, just until the end of January (not good enough) but as I said earlier, the Reps still have to pass it, and who knows what they will do. Don’t people understand all legislation has to pass both houses?

    It’s very obvious a massive public education is needed on how our system of government works.

  19. Labor has accused Peter Dutton of politicising national security by lying when he suggested that the party opposes the government’s proposed encryption cracking laws.

    The shadow attorney general, Mark Dreyfus, has written to Christian Porter calling on him to pull the home affairs minister into line, so as not to threaten “the fine record of bipartisanship on national security”.

    The letter indicates that Labor may pass the bill after the parliamentary joint committee on intelligence and security considers it but shows that the party has bristled at Dutton’s attempt to use Friday’s deadly attack in Bourke Street, Melbourne, to wedge Labor over the issue.

    The bill, released in August, proposes to give law enforcement agencies new powers to break technological encryption and access electronic devices.

    It has sparked a backlash from tech giants including Facebook, Google, Twitter, Amazon, the Australian Human Rights Commission – who have warned it may infringe the privilege against self-incrimination – and the telecommunications provider Cisco, which has contradicted Dutton’s claim the bill will not introduce backdoors into tech products.

    On Monday Dutton told Sky News that law enforcement agencies needed access to information contained in encrypted messages, such as WhatsApp, to fill a “real gap” in their surveillance capacity.

    “Now Labor has said that they’re opposed to that – I hope that they reassess, particularly given the events of last Friday,” he said.

    On Wednesday Dreyfus wrote to the attorney general citing Dutton’s comments, stating: “As you well know, this is a lie.

    • Of course Labor will support this, they always support anything dressed up as necessary for national security. It’s a disgrace, but they keep doing it.

  20. Brilliant work from Fiona Katauskas.

    You might not realise this, but Ms Katauskas is the resident cartoonist for Eureka Street, published by the Australian Jesuits, where her cartoons usually appear first.

  21. Boeing is in deep trouble.

    Indonesia 737 crash caused by “safety” feature change pilots weren’t told of.
    On November 6, Boeing issued an update to Boeing 737 MAX aircrews. The change, directed by the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA), came because Boeing had never provided guidance to pilots on what to do when part of an updated safety system malfunctioned—the very scenario that the pilots of Indonesia’s Lion Air Flight 610 faced on October 29. Not knowing how to correct for the malfunction, the aircrew and their passengers were doomed. All aboard were lost as the aircraft crashed into the Java Sea.

  22. Fiona,

    The US and British leaders should never have been allowed anywhere near the Commemoration in France. The US and British were largely to blame for a large number of WW1 estimated 18 million civilian and military deaths and the more than estimated 37 million casualties, including Australians, in a war they were both responsible for prolonging. There is an excellent article in “Veterans Today” a few days ago exploring the greed of both countries during WW1. It is ironic that both now claim to be the saviors of the Western World.

    No one was in a better position than Admiral Consett to keep track of the supplies that went into Germany through Scandinavia and Holland in the first two and a-half years of the War. He was naval attaché in Scandinavia from 1912-1919. The irony and the tragedy of it was that a tremendous proportion of these supplies came from Great Britain herself. We, in fact, diligently supplied and fed our enemy.

    In Admiral Consett’s view Germany would have collapsed perhaps a couple of years sooner but for this help, which she had not dreamed that we would ever give her or allow to reach her. Those who are content to regard the question simply from the point of view of failure to apply the physical power which we possessed will, of course, say that the British Government was guilty of a crime….

    But the question is not nearly so simple as that. There was also a political side to it. Few people need to be reminded of the way in which America championed the cause of the neutrals in the early part of the War. There were times when the ugly prospect had actually to be faced that if a few more restrictions were put on the trade of neutrals America would become our opponent instead of our potential friend…

    in a message about the same time to America in answer to one of her complaints the Government said : ” It is common knowledge that large quantities of supplies have passed to our enemies through neutral ports.” The message went on to say that neutral ports had, in fact, been ” the main avenues through which supplies have reached the enemy.” Naturally America retorted : ” What about the supplies you are sending yourself ? “

  23. This is from Sarah Vine, the Daily Mail columnist who is married to Michael Gove, the Brexiter environment secretary.

    Lots of discussion about whether it was Michael’s waving or someone else’s.

  24. An unnerving cockpit video of a Belavia plane landing at Minsk Airport in near-zero visibility conditions caused by heavy fog is making the rounds online.

    The minute-long footage shows an airliner descending through thick clouds with almost zero visibility on approach. The runway emerges just seconds before the plane touches down in extremely unfriendly weather conditions. Throughout the tense landing, Belavia pilots showed quite some nerve, as they likely had to blindly trust the autopilot system of the aircraft

    • That is stomach churning stuff and cannot be unseen, I think I’ll go and bang my head against a brick wall to dislodge my eyes and wash them thouroughly before re-inserting.

  25. Good morning Dawn Patrollers.

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    Pilots were not told about an automatic nose-down feature in the 737 Max that may have contributed to the fatal Lion Air crash. The company could finish up being in a bit of trouble over this.
    Elizabeth Knight looks at the big October stock market plunge and wonders if there is et more to come.
    The Greens have warned that Labor is on the cusp of helping to pass the government’s bill banning foreign political donations, despite advice it could interfere with state donation laws.
    Here the Washington Post goes into how Trump increasingly “losing it”.
    Federal crossbenchers will introduce a bill within weeks for a national integrity commission, with wide-ranging powers covering politicians, agencies, lobbyists and private contractors when they are directly dealing with government, such as the NDIS. They’ve had enough.
    Tim Wilson writes that a year after the same-sex marriage vote, Australia is a better place.
    Perth-based Fastbrick Robotics has achieved what it says is a world-first with the fully automated construction of a three-bedroom, two-bathroom house in less than three days.
    We should all be thankful for and proud of the Australian Electoral Commission!
    Carol Anderson wonders why no one is talking about the uncounted, suppressed votes in Florida.
    AMA Victoria warns that more lives could be lost in the coming years unless the government acts ahead of the findings of any future royal commission into mental health.
    A desperate Matthew Guy seems to have gone over the top on his law and order tilt.
    Anti-Corruption detectives are conducting a probe into whether South Australian Attorney-General Vickie Chapman has breached the strict secrecy provisions of the ICAC Act. The Advertiser has revealed detectives have launched a preliminary assessment of the matter and are currently examining the available evidence.
    A group of academics say that Australia needs to triple its social housing by 2036 and tells us the best way to do it.
    Americans are the third largest group seeking asylum, spurred by fears they would be deported by the Trump administration
    The blowout of an oil well in the Great Australian Bight could leak for more than 100 days and foul beaches along Australia’s coastline from Albany in WA to Sydney’s beaches and beyond, a leaked document shows.
    We have a new award – “Idiot of the Week” and this guy gets the first nomination.
    And for “Arsehole of the Week” . . .

    Cartoon Corner

    David Rowe on Brexit. He has Boris Johnson down to a T.

    Good stuff from Fiona Katauskas.

    Peter Broelman farewell comic genius Stan Lee.

    As does Paul Zanetti.

    Jon Kudelka is still working on the big blue bus.
    Some very good ones in here.

  26. The Guardian series on poverty in Australia today features a very philosophical and articulate young man permanently injured while participating in Work for the Dole activities. One has to ask why he can’t move onto Disability Support Pension.

    Was injured falling down a retaining wall as a work-for-the-dole contractor. Now suffers chronic pain and mobility issues and is unable to find work.

    • No-one moves on to DSP these days. It’s almost impossible to get it even if you are born with severe, high-support needs disabilities.

      Even people with disabilities caused in workplace accidents that mean they are no longer able to work are still supposed to exist on Newstart and must go through the pointless business of applying for jobs they will never be given.

      Yet this government loves to boast about falling numbers on DSP, they see their mean, nasty restrictions as a virtue because they allegedly save money.

      Labor would not be any better, the Gillard government was vicious in its welfare cuts and its tightening up of eligibility for DSP.

  27. I’ve got the information booklets on NDIS, and was gobsmacked to find the even if you are on the DSP, you are not automatically eligible for NDIS. Okay……..that makes sense….not.

    • I now understand why that is the case.

      My son tells me he was almost ruled ineligible for the NDIS because, despite an obvious disability he manages too well on his own.

      Apparently there’s a checklist or assessment tool or something like that for determining eligibility. It includes things like “Can you feed, wash, dress, shower yourself” and questions about what you need assistance with. My son can look after himself. He has a full-time job, he drives his own car, with modifications, he has a fiance and a 6 month old daughter, plus a teenage stepson, he can cook, clean, iron and for some years was looking after himself in his own residence without any help. So, despite his disability, he doesn’t need help. What he did need was exercise equipment, and that’s why he applied. In the future he will need a wheelchair – he hopes the NDIS will provide that.

      As it turns out he has a problem with his spine that was diagnosed after he (barely) qualified and the NDIS is paying for all his physio and whatever else he needs. They also pay for a gardener to mow the lawns and trim the hedges at his rented villa, and the much-needed exercise equipment is planned for the next year’s package.

      If the NDIS had existed when I was on DSP I’d have been knocked back because I can do everything I need to do without any help at all.

      Not every disability is going to get you NDIS funding. This is why parents of kids on the autism spectrum are now kicking up a stink about their kids not getting funding. The simple answer is most of them don’t need it. It’s important for these kids to learn to cope by themselves. I am great-aunt to three kids (two little boys and a teenage girl) who are all on the spectrum. They need a bit of management at home, but they all attend or have graduated from “normal” schools where they have been coping well. My great-niece is now studying to be a hairdresser and again, is doing very well. They really do not need any help from the NDIS, their parents are happy to admit that. What medical and psychological help they need is already covered by Medicare.

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