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This will be the thread that will be in use for a extended period of time unless some one else wishes to post one.Now that Ned is well again I will be away for some time doing bits and pieces, going back and forth ,flying,boating but no driving or as little as possible.

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Things are still relatively quiet even with Barnyards rorting so the blog will just continue along with all your wonderful comments . I’m sure things will heat up as the year rolls along and we can expect the later half of the year to get busy as we get closer till the next federal Election .



The people here are what makes this place special so keep commenting,chatting and sharing your thoughts. I will still checking in and keeping a eye on things .

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3,267 thoughts on “Extended thread

  1. The Senate is currently debating the Social Services Legislation Amendment (Welfare Reform) Bill 2017—in committee. It contains a whole stack of nasties.



  2. Speaking of Hanson – she turned up in Lakemba yesterday, with a camera crew. Lakemba is in Tony Burke’s electorate. He had this to say –

    I suppose Hanson will claim expenses for her trip, calling it ‘official business’. She is a senator for Queensland, not NSW, she has no business prowling around Sydney looking for things to squawk about.

  3. lol find from over the road, A Gold star effort
    Mike Carlton
    ‏ @MikeCarlton01
    3h3 hours ago

    South Australia’s new premier, Steven Marshall. Batteries not included.

  4. Good morning Dawn Patrollers.

    David Crowe has a good look at the current difficulties being faced by minor political parties.
    Peter van Onselen writes that there are some interesting comparisons between One Nation at the Queensland election and SA-Best at the weekend. Google.
    And this lecturer on politics reckons Labor now has the Greens’ measure – particularly if the infighting continues.
    And speaking of the Greens, Di Natale is arranging a “purge” of dissident members as the fallout continues from the crunch Batman byelection in Melbourne on the weekend.
    John Passant analyses Ged Kearney’s Batman by-election win and what it says about left-wing policies.
    Chip Le Grand on how the party of love tore itself apart with the Batman preselection. Google.
    Tony Walker writes that Bill Shorten is the real winner from Batman – for now.
    The peak body for public school parents has slammed Bill Shorten’s “irrational and illogical” promise to hand an extra $250 million to Catholic schools, and accused the Labor leader of taking his cues from a handful of powerful Catholic bishops. It could bite Shorten.
    Ross Gittins joins the immigration debate and describes it as the cheap and nasty way to grow the economy.
    Eryk Bagshaw tells us that business will target the crucial votes of One Nation senators with an advertising campaign designed to convince them to pass the Turnbull government’s company tax cuts, but suggestions the $5 billion diesel fuel rebate could become a target for Labor have been ruled out.
    It was not a good day for the CBA at the royal commission yesterday. There was a lot of squirming going on.
    Commonwealth Bank chief executive-elect Matt Comyn warned his staff that it was this week of the banking royal commission that could get ugly for the bank. It only took until lunchtime on Monday for the new boss to be proved correct – and with one of the more egregious rip-offs that the commission has so far examined. Google.
    And Karen Maley tells us that the Hayne royal commission has now arrived at one of the most fiendishly difficult questions in the country’s $1.6 trillion home loan industry: exactly whose interests do mortgage brokers represent? Google.

  5. Section 2 . . .

    Elizabeth Knight has a good contribution on the source of the lack of trust in financial systems.
    ASIC’s new chairman intends to push the federal government to toughen up penalties for companies breaching the law. Google.
    On the 15th anniversary of Australia joining the second Iraqi war this doctor says it’s long overdue for parliament being required to decide on whether or not to do so. A good article.
    This SMH editorial calls for transparency in energy pricing.
    Peter Hartcher is critical of Aung San Suu Kyi, who he describes as a fallen lady with no good answers.
    US stocks dropped on Monday as a plunge in shares of Facebook (-7.1%) led a sell-off in technology stocks on reports that the social media company’s user information was misused.
    Cambridge Analytica, the company at the centre of the Facebook data breach, boasted of using honey traps, fake news campaigns and operations with ex-spies to swing election campaigns around the world, a new investigation reveals.
    Meanwhile Australia’s major political parties are ruling out any formal involvement with Trump-affiliated “big data” firm Cambridge Analytica, which has come under renewed scrutiny following claims it accessed the data of 50 million Facebook users without permission. But the Liberals gave been using something similar already.
    Trump is pushing drug-dealer death penalty as the opioid crisis response. But seemingly fails to address the huge escalation of prescriptions for these drugs.
    NRL chief medical officer Paul Bloomfield and chief operating officer Nick Weeks have condemned the June Test match between New Zealand and England to be played in Denver, at the highest altitude of any major city in the United States, in the middle of summer, after a 20-hour international flight for the alleged betterment of international rugby league.
    Greg Jericho tries to sort out the effect of Labor’s franking credits policy.

  6. Section 3 . . .

    This doesn’t have a good look about it.
    Stephen Koukoulas tells us that for younger Australians who are increasingly disaffected and angry about the growth of intergenerational inequality in housing, superannuation and education, there will be a clear choice at the next election. the next election is as much about Labor v Liberals as young v old he says.
    Moody’s is tipping a house price ‘correction’ across NSW.
    Why fake news on social media travels faster than the truth.
    George Pell’s day in open court yesterday.
    An independent investigation has been launched into the scandal engulfing Woolworths-owned pokies venues after staff allegedly used customers’ personal information to encourage continued gambling.
    A dispute on Melbourne’s docks is set to escalate after Qube Ports applied to terminate an industrial agreement on salary and conditions that took more than two decades to negotiate. Maritime workers returned to work on Monday after staging a 48-hour snap strike at Qube Ports’ facility in Melbourne prompting the company to fly in workers by helicopter.
    Telstra has taken a step towards its plans to combine its telco heritage with a future in tech, working with Microsoft to offer voice calls from within its Office 365 programs. Google.
    A former banker accused of defrauding National Australia Bank of more than $800,000, allegedly had customers unknowingly sign documents that triggered commission payments to his friend, according to court papers.
    If Malcolm Turnbull was unaware of the Joyce affair, how can he also claim to have a “close working relationship” with his Coalition colleagues?
    Michael Bradley weighs in on the growing furore over the National Rugby League’s response to the violence of one its rising stars.
    Dutton’s ‘fast track’ for white South African farmers is a throwback to a long, racist history.
    Bruce Haigh says Dutton has gratuitously and outrageously interfered in the internal affairs of South Africa

  7. Section 4 . . . Cartoon Corner

    David Rowe and the end of democracy in Russia.

    And Rowe beautifully captures Counsel Assisting, Rowena Orr, at the royal commission.

    Mark David with Turnbull’s reaction to the SA election result.

    Peter Breolman with Xenophon’s last stunt.

    Paul Zanetti on the Batman result.

    This is a sad commentary on the US.
    Pat Campbell and nerve agents.

    Glen Le Lievre and fatcats.

    Mark Knight asks if there is life on Mars.

    And he introduces BatWoman.

    Pat Clement enters the Oval Office.
    There are some more in here that I cannot directly link.

  8. What does a government do to avert rail chaos during a major sporting event?

    If it’s Queensland they send in the clowns. Literally. Clowns. And other ‘street entertainers’. The plan is to make people stand around in the street watching these alleged entertainers after leaving a venue, instead of all trying to get to the station at the same time.

    QR Train Strain? Send in the clowns

    I loathe clowns, I don’t enjoy street entertainers either, I would hate being ‘engaged’ by some loon in a clown suit on my way to a railway station, so it’s just as well I won’t be anywhere near the Commonwealth Games venues.

    The main issue is whether or not some some new trains that have problems with disabled access can be used during the Games. If they can’t be used then the planning for rail transport during the games falls apart.

    IThe problems seem to be the toilets (on the version that has toilets) are too small for access by wheelchairs, and access ‘pathways’ are also too small. The trains were ordered – surprise, surprise – by the Newman government. They were cheap, made in India to a design by a team (aka committee) in Queensland. The Newman government actually deleted some of the specifications, probably to save money. But – the current government has had three years to fix the design but hasn’t bothered, although the government did have the trains taken out of use to add compartments for guards. Why they didn’t fix the access issues at the same time is an excellent question.



  9. I’m so sick of this “he/she paid taxes all their life” crap. Saying that, as accomplished liar and total dill Kelly O’Bigmouth just has, shows a total lack of understanding of what taxes are for, as well as being just plain daft.

    No-one pays tax ‘all their life’. They might pay tax for all of their working life, unless they are extremely wealthy and can dodge all tax, so why not say “he/she has paid tax all their working life”. It makes much more sense.

    If you have ever used the health system, even the private system, had an education, driven on a highway, crossed a bridge, used social security of any kind, even the old child endowment payments, used prescription medicines then you have been using services and infrastructure provided by your taxes. There are too many Australians who do not understand that, I unfortunately know a few of them.

    I’ve been meaning to mention another piece of lunacy that keeps coming up – the idea that we all pay our tax into some sort of government accounts, one for each of us, which are set up to pay our pensions when we retire. I saw a very long rant about this on Facebook not long ago, written by a woman who claimed she must have hundreds of thousands of dollars in her account by now. She was demanding to be given this money, asking where it was and why couldn’t it be paid to her.

    I tried to find out where this nonsense came from, eventually I tracked it down to a One Nation claim, made during the time between Hanson as Leader Version 1.0 and Leader Version 2.0.

    Here it is – total nonsense.

    For a very brief period in the 1940s tax revenue was split into two parts, one part went into the National Welfare Fund which was to pay for all social security payments. The fund was topped up from general revenue. There were never any individual funds to pay for each person’s needs though. In 1950 this idea was dropped and all tax went into general revenue.

    This is where assorted ignoramuses, ding-a-lings and ON followers have got the idea we all have individual tax funds. Nick Minchin tried to talk some sense into these idiots years ago, they accused him of lying and insisted they were right. They still believe that legislation that was repealed in 1950 is still somehow in place and those imaginary funds still exist.

    We will probably see a resurgence of this nonsense during the debate on Shorten’s alleged ‘tax grab’.

  10. This explains the confusion over the bereavement allowance –

    While the welfare bill is being discussed in the Senate, along with One Nation’s amendment to keep the bereavement allowance, Labor has had a little to say about it, given some of the shenanigans that went on last night.

    Labor moved an amendment to remove the payment schedule, which would have kept the bereavement allowance in place, which shouldn’t have passed, but did – because two One Nation senators missed the vote.

    Brian Burston was otherwise occupied, and Peter Georgiou said he was in the bathroom.

    So the vote was held again, as part of a standing order which allows votes to be held again (after a motion) to make sure the true will of the Senate is being upheld.

    With Burston and Georgiou in the chamber, Labor’s amendment failed.

    Labor says One Nation is now trying to undo its vote to cut the payments, with its amendment to protect the bereavement allowance.

    That is a little simplistic, because One Nation does support the other government measures contained in the legislation, but somewhere along the way, the bereavement allowance cut became untenable. Hence – today’s amendment.

    I have heard that Malcolm Roberts is tweeting about this, but can’t tell you for sure, because I was blocked by the former senator and failed state candidate turned One Nation staffer many, many moons ago


    it’s amazing what adverse public comment can do to change Hanson’s tiny mind. I’m assuming ‘became untenable’ means PHON was getting some bad press and/or a lot of angry phone calls.

  11. I do not believe a vote should be reheld. If someone misses a vote because they can’t get themselves to the chamber unless it is an unusual situation (being locked in a broom closet), then bad luck.

  12. My current suspicion is that the Coalition have given up on the next election, and are now just set on creating lots and lots of things for the ALP to undo in power. That’ll give them opportunities to attack from other areas, or complain loudly about what those remedies will cost. It really just looks like sabotage now.

  13. Why do I keep feeling that we are beginning to see the start of the “scorched earth” policy of these “Liberal/National Party” people because they are aware that the chances of them winning the next federal election is reducing rapidly and they are determined to ensure that whatever the ALP wants to do it will never succeed and will be blamed for whatever is wrong …

    I have been told recently that I’m incredibly and increasingly cynical …

    • I think this rotten farce of a government has been doing the scorched earth thing for qoite some time now. you could argue it began with Abbott becoming PM, al lthis mob have done since then is take away Labor policies and Labor initiatives. They have not been able to come up with one positive policy that benefits this country. Everything is done to keep overseas non-tax-paying companies happy and to increase the wealth of the top 10% while everyone else deals with falling wages, welfare cuts and rising prices.

      Labor is going to have a real mess to clean up.

      The only reason Fizza is insisting he will not go to an election until the very last possible date is because he and his right-wing puppet-masters have more devastation planned.

      Am I cynical? You bet I am.

  14. Given that Labor’s lead in Batman has increased now to 54.5-45.5%, I’m starting to get the feeling that the Black Wiggle may be under a bit of pressure for his frankly pathetic brainfart of attacking Labor in the last week over tax reforms.

    His last plea to Liberal voters to vote Green just to screw over Labor doesn’t seem to be holding up well.

    People are starting to work you out, Di Natale, and it doesn’t seem to be anything good.

    I myself once paid attention to the greens long ago around 2008, but got turned off in 2009 when they shot down Labor’s carbon price scheme. That could’ve been great, but, it didn’t happen. And at the end of all that, everyone hated Labor and the Greens and the majority voted in Abbott who promptly destroyed everything they tried to achieve in that regard.

    Oh yes most Greens that were in power at the time stand by their vote then with pride, but, what do we have today from those efforts? Absolutely nothing, other than state efforts under Labor governments. Everything achieved under federal Labor has been reversed. The Greens simply fail to get results because of their devotion to absolute purity, that and their petty little tendency to vote with the Coalition in state upper houses just to slap Labor in the face sometimes. And that’s why I won’t vote for them.

    • One thing Dodgy Dick has going for him is that there’s really few options replace him.

      Adam Bandt’s the most obvious successor but by all accounts the people who matter in the party don’t like him and Dick got the job to stop him from becoming leader.
      Lee Rhiannon’s on the way out.
      Andrew Bartlett’s only keeping the QLD seat warm for Larissa Waters.
      Janet Rice, Rachel Siewert, and Jordon Steele-John have no national profile.
      Sarah Hanson-Young’s a 50-50 chance of losing her seat and Peter-Whish Wilson and Nick McKim are cut from the same cloth as Dodgy Dick.

      So unless someone convinces Rachel Siewert to resign to make way for Scott Ludlam then it’s either Adam Bandt, or keeping Dodgy Dick as leader.

  15. It’s on!

    Labor says it will move to disallow new marine park management plans proposed by the Turnbull government, branding the change the “largest removal of marine area from conservation, ever, from any government in the world”.

    The new management plans were uploaded by officials on the federal register of legislation on Tuesday, cutting across a public announcement the Turnbull government had planned to make on Wednesday.

    The shadow environment minister, Tony Burke, said the changes being proposed by the government were a significant step backwards in terms of conservation.

    Labor will move to disallow the proposed management plans in both the House of Representatives and the Senate.


    They are about to reap the whirlwind.

  16. Turnbull visits Tathra, gets tons of media coverage.

    Today Shorten visited Tathra – three TV channels mentioned it briefly on their news and there was a photo in the Bega paper. That was it.

    • Somehow I think it would have been the opposite if this happened in 2012, but whatever.

      With this MSM, Liberals in power is “is as it should be” and Labor in power is “a mistake that needs to be corrected at all costs”.

    • According to The Project, the people who were evacuated and not allowed to go and see if their houses survived were furious that the media and turnbull were tramping all over the place before they could.

  17. 😆 Rowe re Scrott and his “taxable income” weasel re pensioners and Labor’s policy.

  18. Continuing on that thought, back in the 2 years where I was actually happy with Australian politics from late 2007 to late 2009, I have never been happier about Australian politics as I was back then. But then suddenly Abbott took over. Initially I thought he’d be an absolute joke that would be flushed out but suddenly the entire Australian MSM was like “OH YES GIVE IT TO ME TONY” and he thus became Prime Minister in Waiting for the next 3 years before the ordained prophecy came true.

    Firstly, I think that’s something that needs to be addressed. Secondly, how can it be addressed? It’s clear in hindsight that Abbott was a mistake, but the MSM are clearly capable of repeating it, such as them obviously trying to cover Peter Dutton with teflon by not writing any criticism of him, ever.

  19. Good morning Dawn Patrollers.

    Facebook has finally been hit where it hurts the most.
    In the wake of this Cambridge Analytica scandal UK MPs have summoned Mark Zuckerberg to appear before a select committee investigating fake news and accused his company of misleading them at a previous hearing.
    Fergus Hunter has a look at how Australian political parties are ramping up data campaigning.
    The Cambridge Analytica revelations may be the final nudge we need to turn away from the social network. And it’s only the tip of the iceberg when it comes to big tech harvesting private information.
    David Crowe writes on the criticism Morrison and the government has come under over its over-hyped rhetoric on Labor’s imputation credit policy.
    Paul Bongiorno writes that Labor’s Bill Shorten has stolen the Liberals’ clothes and they apparently haven’t got goosebumps yet. He is now claiming the mantle of protector of the Catholic education sector with its hundreds of low-fee primary and secondary schools.
    Phil Coorey says Labor is leaning towards exempting low-income pensioners from its policy to scrap franking credit refunds, to head off a backlash from retirees and take the sting out of a growing campaign by the Turnbull government. Google.
    Ouch! Paul Kelly writes that the Greens are an ugly sight under pressure. They are deluded by hubris and consumed by a moral vanity that wearies most. Google.
    The Victorian Liberal party is being torn apart by branch stacking, voting manipulation and selective briefing of journalists, according to a member of the committee that oversees the party’s day-to-day operations. Google.
    And political opponents were circling the Andrews government on Tuesday ahead of an official report into allegations that Labor rorted taxpayer funds to help win the 2014 Victorian election, while the government denied any wrongdoing, insisting it “acted within the rules”.
    The Greens vote across the nation has declined under the more moderate leadership of Richard Di Natale, The New Daily can reveal. Senator Di Natale is standing firm despite calls from party members for him to quit the leadership over the party’s ailing fortunes.

  20. Section 2 . . .

    Yesterday it was ANZ’s turn to come under scrutiny at the royal commission.
    Elizabeth Knight asks how many times do banks have to inadvertently breach the laws governing responsible lending before they can be reasonably accused of having a culture of carelessness about their customers.
    A very good article from Ross Gittins on the age profile of tax burdens.
    The inevitable return to higher interest rates is necessary, warns Future Fund chairman Peter Costello but it will be more painful for the nation’s deeply indebted households the longer it was held off.
    In an op-ed Kevin Rudd writes that John Howard’s decision to commit thousands of Australian troops to the invasion of Iraq 15 years ago ranks as one of the two great failures of Australian foreign policy since the Second World War. He’s not wrong!
    Christopher Pyne tells us why Xenophon and Bernardi flamed out.
    Paul Chadwick proposes a letter to the Queen asking to release the letters from 1975 for the sake of democracy in Australia. He’s got a point.
    Does a new government in South Australia spell doom for renewables?
    Simon Birmingham is digging in against Catholic educators and will not apologise for likening their Victorian branch to Judas for backing Labor in the Batman byelection.
    Another US school shooting.
    Peter Hannam writes that Turnbull knows better than to deny that fire weather is linked to climate change.
    Gig economy and labour hire workers should get the same minimum conditions as employees including access to unfair dismissal and collective bargaining, the Australian Council of Trade Unions will say at the NPC today.

  21. Section 3 . . .

    There is a big question over the efficacy of the use of sugar alternatives for obesity management.
    Morgan Staley has warned that a Bitcoin bust would be like 2000 tech crash but on steroids.
    A Minneapolis police officer who shot and killed an Australian woman in July has been booked on charges of third-degree murder and second-degree manslaughter.
    Mehajer has been judicially declared as bankrupt.
    Dr Jennifer Wilson discusses the ethos of white superiority and entitlement in recent comments by Peter Dutton and Channel 7’s ‘Sunrise’ panel.
    Poof! There goes a huge swag of our marine parks.
    Half of Australians with private health insurance say it is no longer worth the expense, a new survey commissioned by comparison website iSelect has found.
    Australian jobseekers living below the poverty line have been granted an increase to their Newstart allowance of 50 cents a day – or a total of $7 to the base fortnightly payment of $545.80. That’ll make ALL the difference!
    Prime Ministers sometimes get it wrong, and some more than others. That should be the reason for their demise at an election, not their removal by a party obsessed with polls, writes Tom Haskell.
    The Turnbull Government’s latest environmental compliance policy facilitates the destruction of endangered koalas to enable the RMS Pacific Highway Upgrade.
    George Pell got a nasty surprise in court yesterday.
    Former French president Nicolas Sarkozy was held in custody on Tuesday and questioned by magistrates investigating whether late Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi helped finance his 2007 election campaign. Oh dear!

  22. Section 4 . . . Cartoon Corner

    David Rowe gets the message across with this one!

    Fiona Katauskas gives the Uber Tuber a serve.

    Peter Broelman belittles Di Natale.

    Zanetti puts the boot into him too.

    And he has a crack at Facebook.

    John Shakespeare gets this one right.

    Dutton’s in good company here!

    Four more from Matt Golding.

    Mark Knight and the bushfires.

    Sean Leahy on Putin’s re-election.

    I don’t think Jon Kudelka is a fan of Facebook.
    David Pope is back after a break and you can see today’s effort here.
    And there are several more cartoons in here.

  23. BK

    Thanks for your links, been on the road Monday and Tuesday and out of touch of most media except news radio, which is very busy not reporting on lnp.

    Heard trump saying 120 something people dying of opiod overdoses. By memory I think there are far more people killed by guns (in USA) a day than that.

  24. This facebook thing has me puzzled. When I was on it for about 12 months many years ago, all I saw was family stuff and infighting and bitching. Turned me off for life. I suppose there are people that only follow politics, but then if you are politically aware you won’t fall for the lies the party’s that you don’t vote for.

    • I use Facebook as a news feed, as well as for family stuff. I ‘like’ a few anti-CSG and anti-fracking groups and some conservation pages, as well as a few Labor politicians. There are some other ‘likes’ in there too, music, dance, books, and other things I’m interested in. There are no really personal things though, I don’t have a photo, I won’t use one. I don’t post personal information about what I’m doing. I refuse to give any details of my life – no where I live, what I do, nothing. Facebook doesn’t have my phone number either, although they keep asking.

      I really like Facebook, despite its annoying aspects like the continual suggestions for new ‘friends’ and pages I might like to follow. The family contact thing is the most important. My family are scattered all over NSW, with a couple of them overseas, so it’s a valuable way to keep in touch. My daughter and I often have a chat via Facebook.

      There is infighting and bitching, I suppose, but I rarely see it. My family members aren’t into that sort of behaviour and I don’t ‘like’ any page that indulges in it. Any post about Shorten will attract a stack of negative comments in with the positives, usually from people who seem to have set up their page that morning. The Liberals, Nationals and PHON obviously try (badly) to use it as some sort of tool to spread hate. It doesn’t work. Reading comments is not compulsory, I usually don’t pay much attention to comments on news or elections.

      Anyone wanting to dig up information about me and my voting habits could easily work out I’m a Labor voter, or, given the opportunity, an Oakeshott voter. I’d hope they would decide I’m not worth campaign attention because depending on who is doing the campaigning, I’d be seen as either a lost cause or one of the flock. I would hope everyone would leave me alone during an election campaign, I hate being door-knocked, I hate getting campaign phone calls, anyone invading my privacy will get a polite but frosty reception. I don’t care which side of politics does it, I just don’t like it at all. Maybe I should make some comments about that on Facebook, it might get a ‘stay away from this one’ tag on whatever information they collect about me.

      To anyone wanting to collect information about me from Facebook or anywhere else online I say ‘Have at it’. I don’t really care. Everything we do online tr with our mobiles is out there somewhere, anyone who wants to know where we shop, what we eat, who we talk to can already find out all that and more without trawling through all our Facebook pages. The Cambridge Analytica methods might have some influence in places that do not have compulsory voting, but Australia is not the US, no-one here can be ‘persuaded’ to vote because we all have to turn up.

    • I really like fb. I’m mainly referring to the groups. I belong to many literary groups and find them very useful in ideas and feedback and publishing your own work.

      With politics, I basically only follow Andrews whom I find Impressive.

  25. Court orders that boy, 10, at risk of suicide on Nauru be treated in Australia
    Exclusive: Home affairs department argued against move but judge cites ‘significant risk’ he would die if left on island

    I’m glad the judge specified care in Australia, otherwise the poor child would have been flown to Taiwan, like others on Nauru needing medical attention that can’t be provided on the island.

    Dutton is so desperate to keep all refugees and asylum seekers out of Australia that he has been using special charter flights to transport people to Taiwan for medical care. It must be costing us a fortune.

  26. How sad Josh pinged big time on his bald faced lying. Will he learn his lesson and stop lying ? As bloody if.

    “Tony Burke‏Verified account @Tony_Burke

    Ok @JoshFrydenberg you seem to have gone quiet about the supertrawler. Here’s the link to the vote on whether the Fed Government should have the power to ban supertrawlers. Can you help me identify who “Mr Frydenberg” is in the “No” list?

  27. Interesting developments after the High Court makes a decision on David Gillespie. Or avoids making a decison.

    High Court cannot hear challenge to David Gillespie’s eligibility to sit in Parliament

    Some comment from Paul Karp, at The Guardian –

    A snap bit of analysis on the high court’s unanimous decision not to hear Labor’s challenge against David Gillespie.

    Basically there are now three paths to find an MP is ineligible: a citizen can bring a challenge within 40 days of election writs being returned; or the House of

    Representatives or Senate can refer the question to the high court; or the houses of parliament can determine eligibility of their members directly.

    The court has ruled out a fourth path: use of the Common Informers Act to bring challenges after the time limit.

    That means it is possible for parliament to block referral of MPs or senators to the court, and if it’s after the time limit ordinary citizens can’t practically challenge parliamentarians’ eligibility.

    Justices Geoffrey Nettle and Michelle Gordon said that under section 47 of the constitution the houses of parliament have the “exclusive” power to determine their makeup, which can be waived, relinquished or altered. But the court can’t determine questions that don’t come to it by one of the mechanisms in the electoral act.

    Chief Justice Susan Kiefel, Virginia Bell, Patrick Keane and James Edelman decided that the Common Informers Act sets out how a citizen can seek a penalty against an MP sitting while ineligible, but eligibility itself is an anterior question that only comes before the court through another means.

    The joint judgment noted that the attorney general in 1975, Kep Enderby, was concerned that citizens might consider politicians were engaged in “a conspiracy” if they did not refer suspect MPs to the court – but said those comments at the conclusion of parliamentary debate cannot be used to judge the architecture of referrals set up by the law.

    Justice Stephen Gageler also noted that the act now “fails to meet the central concern identified by the then attorney-general”. The concern was that a political majority might prevent a putative disqualification by preventing referral of the question to the high court.

    So there you have it – on citizenship cases the high court got a bunch of referrals and came through the parliament like a wrecking ball. But absent a challenge within 40 days or a referral, the high court is pretty tame when it comes to ineligibility


    Some changes to legislation are needed to fix the problem. Another thing for the next Labor government to tackle?

  28. Turnbull was in Port Macquarie today, allegedly to talk to “pensioners and retirees” about Labor’s tax grab. He timed his presser for just before the end of Sally McManus’s NPC speech, so Their ABC cut her off and went to Fizza. Lucky I was watching on Sky. By the time Sally finished and Sky got to the presser Turnbull was in full-on ‘angry old man yelling at clouds’ mode. So very, very angry. Maybe that was because only twelve self-funded retirees (no pensioners, according to the local paper) turned up.

    We paid for his travel – probably a charter flight, the Libs always use charter flights when they come here – just for a chat with a dozen ardent supporters. He could have Skyped instead and saved a truckload of money.

    No-one knew Fizza was coming, there had been no advertising that I saw, no-one was talking about this visit. I’d say Hartsuyker, who was also there as the noddy, had hastily arranged for a few elderly Nats members to be there.

    The background didn’t help – yachts.

    I wasn’t there. If I’d known he was coming I still wouldn’t have been there. I can’t bear listening to Fizza for more than a few seconds. It’s a bit difficult to mute him when he’s there in person.

    Malcolm Turnbull labels Opposition’s superannuation plan ‘a tax attack’

    • As I thought – some of those attending, possibly all of them, were bussed in from further north. Another article in the Port News mentioned an elderly man from Urunga. Looks like Hartsuyker chartered a minibus and brought his own very small crowd. He would have promised them a free lunch, as an incentive.

      This has happened before. Years ago the Nats organised an ‘Axe the Tax’ rally here. Busloads of oldies were brought in from all over the area, given a nice morning tea and then dropped off at the park where the rally was to take place. Afterwards they had time for some lunch and a bit of shopping before the buses left. Whether or not these oldies knew what the rally was all about was a good question. I’d say a lot of them just came for the free food and the shopping trip.

  29. This is from last year, CA couldn’t sell their wares here. Truth is political advertising is quite adavnced in Australia and political parties don’t need the latest fad from the USA.


  30. Hurrah the fightback against the enlightenment 😆 On a serious note, since effing when have the science and maths nerds at school been the pampered “in crowd” ?

    ‘Intellectual snobbery’: Minister rejects focus on science and maths
    STEM has attracted national attention in recent years, but NSW Education Minister Rob Stokes says it has now become an educational fad.


  31. Regarding FB, I never used it much but did have a number of music and writing groups which I had as ‘friends’ but I am sick and tired of everything and everywhere that I visit on the internet being seen as something that someone or some company that I have never interacted with in anyway can sell.

    While I don’t expect to live completely isolated from the world my ‘friends and groups’ are not commodities that some stranger can make money from. So I have now deleted myself from FB, the email says I can change my mind anytime within 14 days but I can assure FB and if he ever notices the billionaire owner that he can go and stuff his data harvesting software where he keeps the rest of his morals.

  32. So, um, just got hit with something like a bombshell tonight.

    I phoned Centrelink in December asking them if the Master’s course I intended to apply for was eligible for Austudy. They said it was.

    I put in a claim for Austudy in early February for this course, just got the outcome today. It was declined because they said it is not a valid Master’s course for Austudy.

    At the moment I’m just… stunned. I intend to phone them first thing tomorrow about it, but, I don’t expect this to go well at all.

    • “Boy am I going to go to town on them on the phone tomorrow.”

      I’d advise against “going to town”.

      Firstly, you’ll almost certainly be talking to a different person to whoever (or whatever) made the ruling, and with no knowledge of why that decision was made. Secondly, you don’t want to be blacklisted by Centrelink for being a “difficult” customer.

      You have Student Assistance (Education Institutions and Courses) Determination 2009 (No. 2) Compilation No. 14 – let’s call it “Lucille”. Give them a quick run down: you spoke to them and applied for Austudy, but it was rejected. Introduce them to Lucille, and explain that Lucille says your course is approved for Austudy; no need to hit them over the head with it. If they still can’t join the dots, escalate it to a manager. It may be worth contacting your MP about it, too.

      It took me two phone calls to sort out a simple ATO data matching bot error. The first person was reading the script and seemed incapable and/or unwilling to understand what the actual problem was. The second person got it, and the problem was sorted.

    • I agree – don’t’go to town’. I’ve been dealing with Centrelink for years. I’ve found being is the best way to get what you want. The phone staff are usually yelled at and abused, so someone being polite is going to get their attention. Treat them as you would like to be treated, it gets you a long way. You have the facts, they are in your favour, just present your case without going to town. If whoever you talk to can’t help then do what Jaeger says, get to a manager, or contact your MP, or start writing letters to higher-ups stating your case.

      Good luck today!

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