Britan GONE from the EU.
The polls were tight but all the pundits and betting agencies were so sure the punters would do as they were told and vote to Stay.
Wrong
Remeber back to the Qld Election. All the pundits said the LNP would be returned Easily?
Wrong. Labor won a tight contest . Silly Punters said the media.
Now one week to go till our Federal election and most of the polls have labor just ahead or at worst 50/50 we are still being told the punters will fall into line and Saint Malcom will win .How stupid are they.How do they know just by talking amongst themselves. The “talk in the pub” is a common term I hear some right wing Broadcasters use.
How would they know? They wouldn’t have been in a working class pub in years. Unless to visit the toilets maybe.
One week to go and nothing is settled .I am not saying labor will win, nor am I saying they will lose, but with things so tight it amazes me that these so called experts pitch out such confident predictions. I look forward to some humble pie eating if Labor do win but I guess the chances of that happening are the same as Syd winning a dog show .
Not impossible but highly unlikley.
Bar is open
and Jukebox is free
One week to go
THE PUB 
Home. Now we know how an iceblock feels. Chilled to the bone. Added two windcheaters and a blanket. Youngest grandson got best on the ground. He played a real blinder. Everyone who watched were impressed, so it is not just a one-eyed Nan talking here.
A couple of UK ‘toons
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Kambah Mick,
I’ve come to this a long time after your post about your cousin’s illness, but I have had a little time to reflect on his Damascene conversion of the need for public expenditure.
I think his experience reflects a defining psychological distinction between progressives and conservatives – the extent to which people exhibit imaginative empathy. Only personal experience can make some folks aware of the need for spending in health, education, disability and the like. Those with a well-developed empathy instinct have little trouble in seeing the world through some-body else’s circumstances or misfortune.
PJF,
Amen to that.
Personal experience is by far the strongest teacher. Maybe we shouldn’t be too hard on those that can’t learn any other way. We can often be ruled by the attitudes of our peers and our environment.
Often an appalling situation you are innocently in can lead you to proclaim, “No person should have to go through this!” And that can be the start of a determination to change things. Not all of us are as talented as Nicola Roxon, but the loss of her beloved uncle to lung cancer led her to ask the questions about whether it was avoidable and if so how you would seek to do so.
Yes, I wouldn’t be too hard on Mick’s relative.
The full Willie from a previous post
There is a tide in the affairs of men.
Which, taken at the flood, leads on to fortune;
Omitted, all the voyage of their life
Is bound in shallows and in miseries.
On such a full sea are we now afloat,
And we must take the current when it serves,
Or lose our ventures.
I s’pose it’s just me, but the endless commercials showing Malcolm Turnbull rabbiting on about his plan for jobs and growth, and him vowing he’ll never privatize Medicare (Her Indoors has a slipper ready to chuck at the screen when they come on), seem somewhat cancelled out by the ad which is usually on next, or immediately before: the one telling you that you’ll be taxed extra unless you join a private health fund (presumably because the Libs are reducing Health funding).
Both non-commercial, i.e. “government” ads.
Just sayin’…
That sequence sounds very “do not adjust your set”.
The Brits like their football. Another “unforeseen”
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-06-25/brexit-premier-league-in-limbo-over-foreign-players/7543152?section=sport
Back from HTV card handing out in Boothby. MrX has put the Greens in the shade. In two and a half hours ONE person asked for the Greens HTV but LOTS asked for the MrX HTV.
Two fatuous idiots came pushing a stroller (think that is what they are called) and just as some were getting a bit “Awwwww. . .” the said fatuous idiots said it was 3 littles poodles in the stroller.
I was disgusted! Dogs have to walk for all sorts of reasons, from simple exercise to socialisation to deep instinctive reasons dating back all the way to wolf ancestors. Typically, these fatuous idiots were Liberal voters.
Jaeger,
Boris PM of the UK (or what’s left of it), Trump in charge of America, and Putin ruling Russia. A terrifying prospect.
Throw in Le Penne and our very own bbtt . . .
I may go against things here, But there was a referendum in the UK. The result was pretty clear, the majority have said leave . Isn,t that it Democracy. The majority wins. You can’t cherry pick it if the result dosn’t go your way.
The Brexit Referendum Is non-binding, the UK Parliament not voters has final say
eJames
The Brexit Referendum Is non-binding, the UK Parliament not voters has final say
That won’t happen and why should it. On this argument if the plebisite on same sex marriage comes back in the majority to allow it but is ok but for the Aus parliment to ignore it.
Majority rules in a democracy.
Or in this case, the majority of those who could be bothered getting off their arses to vote.
Compulsory voting might have seen a different result.
It would have seen a different result. The angry vote, the comfortable or disengaged stay on the couch.
I will defend our compulsory voting system at the barricades if necessary.
joe6pack, I am not saying it is ok for any parliament to ignore a majority result of a plebiscite or a referendum. I am saying, like the hardcore Conservatives in the LNP, the system (read billionaires and banksters), will not surrender. They will do everything to convince the majority that the result of the referendum was the wrong decision. When that convince enough, then they’ll “order” the politicians to reject the referendum.
leonetwo
The vote is in. No use bringing up if compulsory voting was in the result may have been different Why?
I am finding it amusing that after a fair and legal democratic vote the losers do not wish to abide by it
That = they
eJames
If that happens we should all just forget about elections and just let the Bankers take control of the world.
Saves all the messy business of voters and the peasents wishes.
They already are in control joe6pack, the sheep follow.
Joe6pack,
It depends on the rules about voting.
In Australia, voting is compulsory. What’s more, for a referendum to pass, there has to be a majority of voters in a majority of states. So if, for example, the majority of voters in Queensland, New South Wales, and Victoria vote in favour of a particular referendum, that’s not enough – even though it would be a majority of Australian voters. You need one more state to have a majority of voters agreeing to the question.
By contrast, in the UK voting is not compulsory. So, for any referendum (and there have been very few in the UK) all you need is 50% plus one vote of those who actually turn up to vote for the referendum to be passed. Assuming a referendum was so uninteresting to the general public that only 10% voted, that would mean 5% plus one vote would pass the referendum.
Sure, this time 70 something percent voters turned out. Approximately 52% voted in favour of leaving, i.e., about 37% of all enrolled voters.
I don’t call that majority ruling.
There is already a petition for another referendum, it has over 1 million signatures so far.
EU Referendum Rules triggering a 2nd EU Referendum
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/131215
Democracy in New England – Gina flies in campaign workers for Barnaby, pays for their accommodation and, presumably, pays them for their ‘work’ as well.
I wonder how much she tipped into his campaign fund-raising this time? Buying herself a tame politician again? Democracy?
It might be a good time to post this –
How Big Mining’s donations influence the political agenda in Canberra.
https://independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/how-big-minings-donations-influence-the-political-agenda-in-canberra-,9156
Be fair, Leone.
The pore liddle mite may need some help maintaining his preferred lifestyle.
Wot’s more, I can do computer thinggy stuff without a screen.
Article 50 of The Lisbon Treaty:
http://www.lisbon-treaty.org/wcm/the-lisbon-treaty/treaty-on-European-union-and-comments/title-6-final-provisions/137-article-50.html
Brussels could find some muddling fudge which extends the two year deadline, or adopt some new treaty amendment to delay the withdrawal if the Banksters order them to do it..
Politics alone will determine the outcome, not “Democracy”. Britain is no more democratic than America.
Fiona, that is frightening. Britain has much more sophisticated weaponry to “Shirtfront” Putin with.
eJames,
Agreed, especially because it’s a total negation of why the EEC/EU was established in the first place.
However, I will share another slant.
It looks to me much more like an Orwellian division of the world into three warring groups, that may occasionally merge.
Just imagine Putin, Boris, and Trump saying something like, “Alright, boys, whom will we bomb today?”
Fiona,
Killary is more likely to bomb someone than Trump. She has the runs on the board. However, I know not what Trump will do, they could be as bad as each other.
By the sounds of people like Mutti, I’d say UK is gorn.
I do not have a rat in the bag for the Brexit referendum. I do not know the arguments and would not venture an opinion on whether it is a good or bad move on the UK;s part. But I would have thought that as the UK is a union that as well as a popular vote, three of the four countries involved should have been needed as a majority too, similar to our system. That way the more populous states cannot drag the smaller ones along on an unwanted ride. One county of England has more people than the whole of Scotland.
From Wiki.
sorry about the list formatting. but you get the idea.
Let’s continue the Brexit discussion here:
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