Appparently Tonight This is happening on the facebook Thingy
I have never used facebook nor do I intend too but Lord Mal seems to think it is a wonderfull idea
Now I know I am not the sharpest Pencil in the box but Who is goung to be logging on /watching this at 6.00pm on a Friday Night? I’m sure most people will feel like this.
But for those that are going to watch may I suggest
But as it’s a Friday night lets not forget the Pubs tradition of being happy
Indulging in your favorite tipple
And possibly listen to some tunes
Enjoy..
PS. If some facebook person watches the debate will they be kind enough to give a report.
Cheers.
THE PUB 
You’re all class, Julie!
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/live/2016/jun/24/australian-election-2016-liberals-sailing-close-to-the-wind-with-donations-politics-live?page=with:block-576c5875e4b0be24d34f5a33#block-576c5875e4b0be24d34f5a33
Panic in Tasmania
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/live/2016/jun/24/australian-election-2016-liberals-sailing-close-to-the-wind-with-donations-politics-live#comment-77037071
What annoys me about the MSM coverage of last night’s 7.30 – They had obviously been given a preview, or talking points, or some sort of briefing, at least, Fairfax had, because their comment was posted online just as Bill was beginning his interview. Crap about Shorten being ‘grilled’ by Sales in a ‘tense’ interview, and more rubbish telling us Sales had been able to get Shorten to back down on his Medicare claims.
It’s all garbage. You only had to watch to see the only ‘tense’ thing was Sales herself, as her repeated ‘grilling’ was knocked back, time after time. Stressed and increasingly anxious, as her planned line of attack was demolished, and there was nothing she could do about that except dig herself further into a hole.
The MSM and Their ABC are right on board with the government, doing their very best to convince us all that Turnbull is not lying about Medicare and Shorten is running a huge scare campaign.
Somewhere, a while ago, I read that health is the really big issue for older voters, as it should be. You know them, that group the pollsters always tell us strongly favour the Coalition. The Medicare issue is biting, biting hard, and no matter what Fizza says he is not believed. It’s the old ‘boy who cried wolf’ thing. Abbott told too many lies, and maybe just enough voters will decide not to trust the conservatives again.
A Barnaby scandal – another one for the MSM to ignore.
Revealed: Barnaby Joyce’s private flights from live export suppliers
http://newcastle.amieu.asn.au/barnaby-joyce-live-export-stanbroke/
Ta for Peter Wick’s link Leonetwo.
The AJP has been a liberal preference harvester for some time – 2013 election act senate, those who voted for AJP were duped into voting for the LNP (see round 13 at http://www.abc.net.au/news/federal-election-2013/results/senate/act/ ). We so nearly got rid of the Lib then and 2992 AJP/LNP didn’t help (wasn’t the decider, but wouldve been ~83k LNP to 81k Green)
Early days but Brexit is 54 – 46 to go
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2016/jun/23/eu-referendum-result-live-counting-leave-remain-brain-in-europe
Hmm, to me, it looks like it’s going to be a Leave result. Namely because the Remain-leaning results in Scotland have already mostly come in, but the rest of England is pretty heavily voting for Leave by the looks of it.
I imagine this will cause trouble for the UK. I can see the Scottish being resentful about being forced to leave the EU, and that may stoke demands for another Scottish Independence referendum.
Whatever the result, half the population will be unhappy.
Bushfire Bill
You are fired up today, great posts.
So far the Leave result is leading by 52-48 and is about 700,000 votes ahead. However, there’s some big results still due in Leeds, Bradford, Birmingham, Northern Ireland and London to still arrive.
But if they don’t have very strong results for Remain, then it looks like Leave will win.
I think Gravel mentioned ABC radio was reporting this am that Bill had backed down from accusing government of dropping Medicare. It wasn’t how I saw it either.
It also caused a stir on Facebook with Denise Allen believing he had. Later she posted that on ABC Bill had come back firmly firing on that issue. On ABC Radio the midday programs were still going with the ‘back-down’ claims. That’s pushing very close to misreporting, but it gives Labor a chance to have another go at how they’re trying to undermine Medicare and have been since they came to office. Maybe Catherine King could do some pressers on it.
Denise thought another way of reinforcing was to call for a federal ICAC. Or at the least to say they’d heed any Royal Commission on Banking and Finance recommendations for an ICAC.
Without access to internal polling it’s hard to know how it’s breaking, but the outward symptons are very encouraging. Mesma joined in the demonising of Anne Ali this morning, which suggests the Liberals may be in big trouble in WA. She should’ve just let Crackers run with that. Her status does not make her immune from lying accusations.
I’m still trying to piece together a narrative for what’s happened to the Liberals in the past few years; when the seeds were sown for the position they now find themselves in. Something occurred to me this morning that I think gave me some perspective. I think the trouble started so long ago that turning to Turnbull was doomed before it even started.
The party knew – I’m sure they were well aware – that Abbott would always be a drag on their popularity. Very likely their first gambit was that he’d be able to do such a character-assassination job on the ALP that it would take them years to recover. Which would buy the Liberals time to implement their agenda – six years minimum, they would have been thinking. And if the successive RCs did their job, a majority in both houses would have completed their ambitions and given them free rein for the second three years.
At some point in their first term they must have realised that it wasn’t going to come to pass. Probably as early as the start of 2014, and most certainly by their first Budget. They should have had a Plan B then, but I guess they assumed things would turn around before long. Besides, how do you dislodge an Abbott with so much sway within the party? It’s obvious Turnbull was their ‘break glass in case of emergency’ back-up. But if they were smart they would have smashed that glass at the earliest possible opportunity. For two reasons:
1. Getting on the front foot. The inescapable verdict of the eventual Turnbull challenge was that they couldn’t win the election without him. But it also sent a message that the party were in deep trouble, and turning to him unwillingly. It’s difficult to look like you’re in charge when you’ve just been made captain of a sinking ship. The best you can say for your crew is that they’ve stopped standing around and are manning the buckets again. But the water is still coming in.
2. The way they’ve done it, all the Abbott policy decisions have been bedded in, and Turnbull has to sell them. It associates him inextricably with Abbott, no way out of it. People might have trusted that these policy ideas – odious as they are – were to some ‘good end’ if they were given the idea that Turnbull had come up with them. He gets a lot more leeway than Abbott ever did. But he can’t, they were already there and he’s obviously not allowed to change them.
A lot of RW types – especially those at the more moderate end – were wetting themselves in 2012-13 at the prospect of Abbott being elected and replaced with Turnbull soon after. They argued that it would see the Coalition in power for a decade. And that may well have been the case too. But the Abbott cabal were just too strong for that, and they were also closer to the real string-pullers in the party. So I guess it was never going to happen that way. Abbott wrecked that party, and in general they were too weak to stop him. You have to finesse an agenda as horrible as theirs, and he delivered it with a pick-axe.
They’re not a Turnbull party. They might like to try and sell themselves that way – why else would they have swapped their logo for that round Turnbull thing they’re using? – but it’s too late for that, we had too much Abbott. He’s just an extension of what they did for their first two years in power.
In that way, I think they were doomed long ago. I’d personally place it further back, to when they stripped themselves of policy altogether in opposition under Abbott, to present themselves as a small target with license to criticise but no obligation to state their own plans. That weakened their ability to argue any case, and the time was always going to come when it was noticed and challenged. But they certainly buggered up their time in power by keeping Abbott as PM so long.
I’ve never bought this myth of Magnificent Malcolm. He has been a dismal failurevate everything he has attempted in public life – the republic campaign, LOTO, PM, even as a minister he did nothing. And yet the MSM kept telling us how fan-bleeping-tastic he was,. Maybe the liberal Party ar some stage believed that myth, and look where it has got them.
Here’s a lovely lot of buckets beg tipped on Turnbull from IA.None of it is news, all of it was well-known when the Libs made Fizza PM. Surely they Knew.
Voting for Turnbull? Here’s 5 reasons why you shouldn’t.
https://independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/voting-for-turnbull-heres-5-reasons-why-you-shouldnt,9135
Birmingham voted 50.4% to Leave, and Northern Ireland voted 55.8% to Remain.
That’s not enough to save the Remain campaign, so it looks like Britain’s voted to Leave.
(On Leeds and Bradford, I think they’ll probably vote to Leave as well, the rest of Yorkshire isn’t keen on remaining in the EU).
Was it just the country sticking it to Cameron?
Aguirre
Great post. Labor have gone through hell and back because of abbot, now the lnp are hopefully getting theirs back in spades.
My only concern that with this brexit thing, turnoff and the media will go all out spruiking their economic stuff. This is a very vital week and hope Labor has a plan.
Lots of good comment on last night’s 7 & a bit. I thought there was a fair bit of rope a dope (hope that’s the right analogy) in Shorten’s tactics. As Sales launched another & yet another frontal attack clutching her dictionary all it served to do was give Bill more time to make his points.
One thing pissing me off these days is the simultaneous accusations about Labor running scare campaigns & what seems to be the sudden discovery that Abbott relied on them. But of course Labor’s the naughty one.
And listening to Turnbull rabbiting on about his & his government’s “Steely Resolve” about their boats policy jogged a few braincells. Didn’t the Turnbull opposition take the day off from Parliament when Rudd put through the legislation to dismantle the “Pacific solution”? Not much steely resolve there.
Waffles on sky dosn,t seem real happy about the Brexit. How dare the peasents go against their betters wishes.
I made a decision not to watch 7.30 shortly after Sales and Uhlmann first took over. That was a while ago now. I don’t think the show is of any use to anyone nowadays. It’s long since ceased to be about journalism. Once a current affairs show nails its political colours to the mast, that’s about it for it as a source of information or insight.
By all accounts, Sales’ performance last night was hapless. There have been a lot of opinions expressed about it, from a lot of angles, but they’re all telling me the same thing. She tried a very predictable gotcha move on Shorten, she ended up on the back foot. No interviewer should allow that to happen to themselves; if they do, they’re doing a terrible job. It speaks to a lack of preparation and a lack of awareness as to how the interview might go. You’re never going to get anything useful out of your subject if you’re the one having to justify yourself. It’s just a waste of everyone’s time. But by all accounts that’s how a lot of her interviews go, and that’s why I don’t watch.
Well, he has been carrying on about these exiting times.
You’ve got to hand it to Speers. Never stops looking for the silver lining.
Turning point. Spare me…
Turning point in the campaign? Seriously?
I’d say most Australians don’t give a rat’s arse about Brexit. If you did one of those stupid ‘let’s ask people in the streets’ things what they thought about Brexit the response from just about everyone would be ‘Is that a new brand of detergent?’
i guess one way you could read that Speers tweet is “there’s no major turning point in this campaign.”
Anyway, what’s he saying? I wouldn’t have thought the media/Liberal point of view countenanced the idea that the campaign needed a turning point. Haven’t they been telling us all along that Turnbull’s a sure thing? Are they now saying it’s all going Shorten’s way and something is required to turn it around? That’d be quite an admission.
Crikey comment on Julie Bishop’s latest mouthing-off.
When in doubt, dog whistle
Anne Aly was doing her government-funded job in trying to stop terror. And Julie Bishop damn well knows it.
https://www.crikey.com.au/2016/06/24/julie-bishop-backs-michael-keenans-shameful-anne-aly-smear/
So explain to me again why on earth we will be spending $160 million on a damn plebiscite if this rotten bunch gets re-elected, when it’s not going to mean a damn thing?
Same-sex marriage: Malcolm Turnbull says MPs will have free vote regardless of plebiscite
http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/federal-election-2016/samesex-marriage-malcolm-turnbull-says-mps-will-have-free-vote-regardless-of-plebiscite-20160624-gpqxxk.html#ixzz4CTKELsZ4
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