A couple of pedantic observations:
2 Gravel, Cheesman’s win in Corangamite in 2007 and hold in 2013 was the only time Labor has held the seat (of that name) for a very long time, but not quite ever. Scullin (later PM) won it in 1910 but lost at the following election, 1913. Richard Crouch fluked it in the 1929 Scullin landslide, but lost in the wipeout following the Labor split.
I mention “of that name”, as early in the 20th century it was further west, and only crept towards the surf coast and into southern Geelong in the 1990s redistribution.
Leone, can I just offer a correction of detail to your post critical of Bandt (with the tone of which I absolutely concur). Bandt had Liberal preference recommendations in 2010, which was decisive in his winning the seat, almost 80% of Liberal votes followed the HTV. In 2013, the Liberals preferenced Labor, but incumbency/sophomore effect meant that Bandt’s primary votes increased, and leakage of more than a third of Liberal preferences tipped him over the line. His margin is a little over 5%, and probably demographic changes are reinforcing his position.
I’m not following that. John Arkan is an indie, and I’m told a very good candidate. I’ll put him behind Oakeshott and Labor. I’ll put the two nutters at the top of the ballot paper (Christian Democrats and Citizens Electoral Council ahead of the Nats, who will be last. Not sure where I’ll put the Greens yet. Most likely second last.
Well I have to say the Nats won’t go last on my ballot paper, that position is reserved for someone infinitely worse.
Here in Gippsland we have Labor, the Nats, the Greens, the Renewable energy party, a perennial candidate who’s a bit of a nut and four bible bashers (Family First, the Australian Christians, Rise Up and the person I mentioned above).
Labor to direct preference votes to the Greens across Australia
an hour ago
Ellen Whinnett National politics reporter Herald Sun
LABOR will direct its preference votes to the Greens ahead of the Coalition in the Senate and every House of Representatives seat across Australia.
After months of backroom deal-making and with early voting due to start tomorrow, the major parties have finally settled on where to send their preference votes.
The Coalition will preference the Greens behind Labor after Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull shrugged off a potential vote-swap being negotiated by Victorian Liberal Party president Michael Kroger and declared it to be “in the national interest’’ to put the Greens behind.
And Labor will back the progressive party, knowing that the collapse of talks with the Liberals means the Greens will now struggle to pick up any new House of Representatives seats beyond the one they already hold, Melbourne.
In seats where the Liberals and the Nationals are competing, Labor’s deal with the Liberals will see it preference the Liberals ahead of the Nationals. This will make it difficult for Nationals candidate Damian Drum to win the Victorian seat of Murray, and will benefit the Liberal candidate, Duncan McGauchie.
In neighbouring Indi, no deal has been struck with the Coalition, showing a lack of support for Liberal hopeful ÂSophie Mirabella.
Labor has not publicly announced its position on Indi but it is known it will preference the incumbent, independent Cathy McGowan, who is expected to win the seat fairly comfortably.
The inability of the Greens and Liberals to strike a deal in Victoria is a blow for the Greens, who face the potential loss of Senate seats in South Australia with the rapid rise of the Nick Xenophon Team.
It is a bonus for Labor’s David Feeney in Batman and Peter Khalil in Wills, and for Labor heavyweight Anthony Albanese in the Sydney seat of Grayndler.
And it likely means the Liberals will not receive open tickets from the Greens in crucial Victorian marginals such as Dunkley, Deakin, Corangamite, Bruce and Chisholm.
Greens leader Richard Di Natale said Mr Turnbull had “backed in the Abbott conservatives’’ by ensuring there was not a more “progressive arrangement’’ in the Senate.
“When it comes to the decision that was made, what we know is that this had nothing to do with principle, and everything to do with a dirty deal between Labor and the Liberal Party, the Coles and Woolies of politics,’’ Senator Di Natale said.
we know is that this had nothing to do with principle, and everything to do with a dirty deal between Labor and the Liberal Party, the Coles and Woolies of politics,’’ Senator Di Natale said.
this resonates with the Greens target demographic
Mind you their workers seem to be 20 years older than their target demographic
I presume Di Natle means to imply both parties are the same. I’m sorry, but he has to stop telling lies. This afternoon it was ‘Labor isn’t doing anything to address climate change’, now it’s ‘both parties are just the same’. I’m sick of his rubbish.
Needless to say, I don’t approve of Labor preferencing the Greens ahead of Rob Oakeshott in Cowper.
Oakeshott said he would support LNP in a hung Parliament
Dick Di Natale is very lucky nobody’s taking much notice at present. He still seems to be moaning about dirty dealing between Labor and the Liberals, as if that was the reason the Liberals double-crossed him.
The Liberals got their share in the trade with preferences ahead of the Nats in some risky (for them) 3-way contests. Labor got a bit more protection in the inner suburbs and can now focus more or winning seats of the Liberals and Nationals, which you’d hope would be Dick’s priority too. All is not lost for them if they go after Kelly O’Dwyer in Higgins. They just have to finish ahead of Labor to be a chance.
THE PUB 
Does Lucy have someone have to tell her about the tight-button thingy?
http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/jun/12/liberals-to-get-labor-preferences-in-three-rural-seats-as-part-of-deal
Geez, that’s horrid. I think Lucy needs a stylist.
Hair and bosoms (as opposed to the natural depositories of fat that we all have) are accessories; I acknowledge that.
Equally, I maintain my right to evaluate and say, in public, what I think.
I presage that Labor will “do” the NBN on Wednesday, given that Waffles will be posing fishcakes on Tuesday …. whatever:
A couple of pedantic observations:
2 Gravel, Cheesman’s win in Corangamite in 2007 and hold in 2013 was the only time Labor has held the seat (of that name) for a very long time, but not quite ever. Scullin (later PM) won it in 1910 but lost at the following election, 1913. Richard Crouch fluked it in the 1929 Scullin landslide, but lost in the wipeout following the Labor split.
I mention “of that name”, as early in the 20th century it was further west, and only crept towards the surf coast and into southern Geelong in the 1990s redistribution.
Leone, can I just offer a correction of detail to your post critical of Bandt (with the tone of which I absolutely concur). Bandt had Liberal preference recommendations in 2010, which was decisive in his winning the seat, almost 80% of Liberal votes followed the HTV. In 2013, the Liberals preferenced Labor, but incumbency/sophomore effect meant that Bandt’s primary votes increased, and leakage of more than a third of Liberal preferences tipped him over the line. His margin is a little over 5%, and probably demographic changes are reinforcing his position.
I’m not following that. John Arkan is an indie, and I’m told a very good candidate. I’ll put him behind Oakeshott and Labor. I’ll put the two nutters at the top of the ballot paper (Christian Democrats and Citizens Electoral Council ahead of the Nats, who will be last. Not sure where I’ll put the Greens yet. Most likely second last.
Well I have to say the Nats won’t go last on my ballot paper, that position is reserved for someone infinitely worse.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-04-10/latrobe-councillor-defends-anti-islamic-stance/6382566
http://www.abc.net.au/local/photos/2015/06/15/4254846.htm
Here in Gippsland we have Labor, the Nats, the Greens, the Renewable energy party, a perennial candidate who’s a bit of a nut and four bible bashers (Family First, the Australian Christians, Rise Up and the person I mentioned above).
And an anti-CSG independent.
Good grief. What a cow! I’d put her last too.
OK, piccies aren’t working
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/labor-to-direct-preference-votes-to-the-greens-across-australia/news-story/b3ff46e6584010c77656e920f2082c97
Labor to direct preference votes to the Greens across Australia
an hour ago
Ellen Whinnett National politics reporter Herald Sun
LABOR will direct its preference votes to the Greens ahead of the Coalition in the Senate and every House of Representatives seat across Australia.
After months of backroom deal-making and with early voting due to start tomorrow, the major parties have finally settled on where to send their preference votes.
The Coalition will preference the Greens behind Labor after Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull shrugged off a potential vote-swap being negotiated by Victorian Liberal Party president Michael Kroger and declared it to be “in the national interest’’ to put the Greens behind.
And Labor will back the progressive party, knowing that the collapse of talks with the Liberals means the Greens will now struggle to pick up any new House of Representatives seats beyond the one they already hold, Melbourne.
In seats where the Liberals and the Nationals are competing, Labor’s deal with the Liberals will see it preference the Liberals ahead of the Nationals. This will make it difficult for Nationals candidate Damian Drum to win the Victorian seat of Murray, and will benefit the Liberal candidate, Duncan McGauchie.
In neighbouring Indi, no deal has been struck with the Coalition, showing a lack of support for Liberal hopeful ÂSophie Mirabella.
Labor has not publicly announced its position on Indi but it is known it will preference the incumbent, independent Cathy McGowan, who is expected to win the seat fairly comfortably.
The inability of the Greens and Liberals to strike a deal in Victoria is a blow for the Greens, who face the potential loss of Senate seats in South Australia with the rapid rise of the Nick Xenophon Team.
It is a bonus for Labor’s David Feeney in Batman and Peter Khalil in Wills, and for Labor heavyweight Anthony Albanese in the Sydney seat of Grayndler.
And it likely means the Liberals will not receive open tickets from the Greens in crucial Victorian marginals such as Dunkley, Deakin, Corangamite, Bruce and Chisholm.
Greens leader Richard Di Natale said Mr Turnbull had “backed in the Abbott conservatives’’ by ensuring there was not a more “progressive arrangement’’ in the Senate.
“When it comes to the decision that was made, what we know is that this had nothing to do with principle, and everything to do with a dirty deal between Labor and the Liberal Party, the Coles and Woolies of politics,’’ Senator Di Natale said.
di Natale: “Just call me Pontius Pilate.”
we know is that this had nothing to do with principle, and everything to do with a dirty deal between Labor and the Liberal Party, the Coles and Woolies of politics,’’ Senator Di Natale said.
this resonates with the Greens target demographic
Mind you their workers seem to be 20 years older than their target demographic
I presume Di Natle means to imply both parties are the same. I’m sorry, but he has to stop telling lies. This afternoon it was ‘Labor isn’t doing anything to address climate change’, now it’s ‘both parties are just the same’. I’m sick of his rubbish.
Needless to say, I don’t approve of Labor preferencing the Greens ahead of Rob Oakeshott in Cowper.
Oakeshott said he would support LNP in a hung Parliament
Dick Di Natale is very lucky nobody’s taking much notice at present. He still seems to be moaning about dirty dealing between Labor and the Liberals, as if that was the reason the Liberals double-crossed him.
The Liberals got their share in the trade with preferences ahead of the Nats in some risky (for them) 3-way contests. Labor got a bit more protection in the inner suburbs and can now focus more or winning seats of the Liberals and Nationals, which you’d hope would be Dick’s priority too. All is not lost for them if they go after Kelly O’Dwyer in Higgins. They just have to finish ahead of Labor to be a chance.
Another boat on the way.
Sri Lankans en route to Australia in boat stranded in Indonesia
http://www.theage.com.au/world/sri-lankans-enroute-to-australia-in-boat-stranded-in-indonesia-20160612-gphcfe.html#ixzz4BMxCMb17
As I discovered earlier this evening, scrott’s hons degree was not in ‘Economics’ and ‘Geography’ but in ‘Economic Geography’.
I feel totally reassured now. Relaxed and comfortable, even.
NEW THREAD
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