Friday Fireworks!

Earlier today I received an email from Joe6pack:

Hi, stuck In gladstone waiting for a crane big enough to unload me to turn up. Not happy. Sorry about leaving friday night to you again.

So, I had a flash of inspiration. In honour of Le Jour de Bastille this Sunday, we should illuminate The Pub a bit more than we usually do:

CK Watt will work his usual raffle magic:

C@tmomma and moi will serve drinks

and food

(when not kicking up our heels)

while Mr Bushfire Bill will exercise crowd control:

So, Pubkateers, kick back and enjoy the fun!

334 thoughts on “Friday Fireworks!

  1. Call that censorship if you want to. I call it good manners to not allow it to run rampant on a blog.

    In my view there is a place for some censorship in partisan political blogs. Progressives should jealously protect their online spaces. Because without them we’ve got nowhere to go for political expression. I mean, it’s not as though we get more than a whisper of voice in the “mainstream” media. So why the dickens must we tolerate vexatious right wingers crowding into our spaces AS WELL as monopolising the “conventional” media? Happy to see that The Pub is not troubled like that, troll-free, very enjoyable.

  2. foreverjanice
    I don’t think Rudd meant any disrespect. Like so many others he just didn’t think about what he was doing. If the reaction to the incident helps a few people think about how they treat others then it’s all good.

    As for that shopping woman – having a disability doesn’t make you a nice person. A grump is a grump, able-bodied or not. I often get help from strangers because I use a walking stick. I don’t need that help but it’s much better to accept it, smile and say thank you than to glare and huff off. The way I see it – I may not really need assistance, but the next person that ‘helper’ comes across might. There’s no need to make anyone feel sorry they tried to help, do that and next time they may just decide to walk past.

  3. free article

    PM’s blitzkrieg has opposition on the back foot
    PUBLISHED: 12 Jul 2013 00:05:00 | UPDATED: 12 Jul 2013 11:55:51
    Laura Tingle

    It is hard to find a historical comparison for the stunning turnaround in federal politics of the past two weeks. We’re not talking just polls here, but the change in the debate, in the psychology, in the way whole political armies, and their massive caravans, have had to manoeuvre in hasty and sometimes messy fashion.

  4. I think that “facts” ad from the Coaltion might serve to re-inforce the idea that they’re negative & snarky. Big number thrown around that mean little, and old issues re-cycled.

  5. Leroy Lynch,
    Exactly. I think that ad could turn out to be more of a negative for the Coalition than the ALP & Rudd.

    It doesn’t tell us anything we haven’t heard before and don’t know already.

  6. On the disability thing and whether to “help” or not….I remember on my first trip to Europe back in the late seventies, in Paris on a friday night…street packed to the rafters with people shopping…shoulder to shoulder, baguette to baguette..and me ‘taking in the vibes’…when I tripped over something at my feet!…looking down, to my shock and suprise I see an old man, a crutch in each hand (one also with a bagged-baguette), crawling along between the stepping people and no-one even noticing him..I stood there in shock..sort of opened-mouthed and hands out looking for some sort of acknowledgement to assist from those about me…..nothing…nothing at all!…even the man crawling about on the pavement didn’t seem to want or expect any….But stands out in my memory to this day.
    What is the protocol?

  7. jaycee
    There’s no protocol. Just ask ‘Do you need any help’ and take it from there. And don’t be offended if your kind offer gets knocked back. Some people are just fiercely independent.

  8. Leroy Lynch,

    It really gets me that the media cannot see why there is “a change in the debate, in the psychology,………

    The whole of the media have scrambled to whitewash over their own part in the dirty, messy, gutter politics we’ve been fed over the past three years.

  9. The Rudd v Gillard dynamic has been a very emotive ride for all concerned over the last three years and the leadership change was the “highpoint” of that experience.

    The decision has been made, it is done and dusted and people are now locked in either for or against.

    I still think that the emotion of it all has clouded out the medium to long term consequences of the change back to Rudd.

    The short term goal of a third term is now the one and only focus point for many and the implications for the party beyond the upcoming election have been ignored in the blast of sunshine and joy beaming out of improved polling.

    Two simple questions which have been ignored to date but will have to be faced very very soon are

    If labor achieves its short term goal and secures a third term what does the party do with Rudd and what will Rudd do with with the party ? and

    If labor loses the election what will the party do with Rudd and how will Rudd react to that ?

    People may wish to put these questions in the bottom drawer marked ” for later consideration ” but I believe the long term future of the party is more reliant on how the party answers those questions than the result of the upcoming election.

    The only game in town atm is the call to modernize the party to embrace the wider Australian community with a agenda that reflects the wants and needs of everyday Australians.

    Apparently this move to a social progressive party can only be achieved by loosening the connection with the labor movement and making the party more democratic, whatever that means.

    I personally do not see the reasoning behind this.

    Lets have a look over the last three years at the policy agenda of the Australian labor Party under its current structure.

    The following have been legislated and implemented by the labor government in the last three years.

    NDIS/Disability Care

    Gonski/ Better Schools

    Price on Carbon

    Paid Parental leave

    Equal Pay

    etc etc etc

    None of the above are anywhere near what may be described as ‘regressive ” policies

    All are progressive and all embracing in nature, all are solid and unique labor party policies and all have been introduced with the support of the labor movement and under the current structure of the labor party.

    I am not naive to believe that all is perfect within the party and nor do I believe that the party should stand still and assume nothing should change but I do believe that all the talk about modernization, transparency and the need to move away from the connection with the labor movement if the party is to survive simply masks what I believe is the central reason behind the “woes” of the party and the sense of a party in decline.

    The Australian Labor Party will have no peace and unity while Kevin Rudd is a part of it.

    The decision was made to return Rudd to the leadership for the short term goal of the 2013 election.

    So be it. I do not agree with the decision, yes I am a strong supporter of Julia Gillard but the decision has been made and that battle is over.

    For the Australian labor party and its supporters the goal now is a third term and I wish the party and its supporters all the luck in the world with that.

    However, Win or lose the problem will still be there and it will need to be addressed.

    How that problem is addressed will have more influence on the future of the party than anything else.

    My take on things anyway.

    Cheers to all.

  10. jaycee,

    Mostly offers of help are either gratefully accepted or politely declined. I think there are many people who do not offer help because they’ve either come up with a rude rejection at some time or are afraid of one.

    I remember when I was a young mother with a toddler and a baby on my hip. I slipped on some gravel in the carpark and fell hard on my elbow and knee as I attempted to save the baby from injury (successfully) but I sat in the gutter in excruciating pain with two bawling kids as one by one, people passed by. Not a soul stopped to help. After a few minutes an Italian man who had seen the incident from his shop window came to my aid. He picked up the baby, helped me to my feet, took my toddler by the hand as we were all guided into his shop where he sat me on a chair, gave me a glass of water and comforted the bawling baby.

    The kindness of this man remains deep in my memory and therefore I always offer help to anyone I come across who appears to be in difficulty, able bodied or not.

  11. Just read the most fatuous waffling on the Slipper/Ashby affair by David Marr over on the Guardian. Talk about “behind the times” where has David been hiding all these momths..mind you, I remember him pontificating on an episode of Q&A. about the “obvious guilt” of those parties( Slipper/ Thomson) much to my dismay, as I had always considered him, at least, to be a discerning journalist…..but no more!
    I suppose this is the style of the MSM…petulant and envious of the Fifth Estate “scooping” them time and again and their cowardly hesitancy in political criticism of the bleedin’ obvious, they are now trying to “hoe the fertile fields” of someone elses hard work!…usless pr*cks! ..oh well, better late than never!

  12. Some part of this conservation on ‘helping’ or even greeting people you don’t know in public places brings to mind ‘Blazing Saddles’.

    The version of the movie shown here was, I think, modified to ‘Up yours, Spade’ –

    And just for fun from the same movie –

    (I hope I have the clips in the right order!)

  13. Doyleym,

    As far as I can fathom, the view is that in the short term the party was forced to bow to blackmail tactics and all the focus is placed on winning the election. What happens after that is then a matter of jumping the hurdles as they appear.

    That’s all fine except the party should be very careful not to be backed into tight corners that might see it hamstrung for decades. I do not trust this smiling assassin who hides his psychopathic mind well in public.

  14. jaycee
    Pretty much everything from Marr these days is fatuous waffling. The good thing about his Slipper/Ashby piece is that it gets the whole thing into the media. The bad thing is explained by David Donovan who is working on the Ashbygate Trust investigation –

    David Donovan ‏@davrosz 19h
    David Marr was unusually definite about a lot of things that he most certainly does not know for sure.

    Mr Donovan explains more in other tweets and believes Marr may have been told lies. He also disputes Marr’s claim that Brough will win Fisher. I’d take the word of someone who has been doing some hard work actually investigating than that of a preening journo any day.

  15. Very good points, Doyley, made all the more poignant by Rudd sandbagging his position as much as he can. He’s going very strongly with this ‘elected Prime Minister’ meme. It is untrue, but the public believes him. I am sure that had a lot to do with Gillard’s lack of acceptability. Abbott and Rudd were curiously allies of a sort, at least in the aim of destroying Gillard’s legitimacy.

    A comfortable win, which is now looking increasingly likely, will make moving against him much harder.It is hard to see it lasting more than a year, but how do they wriggle out of it, save face, and restore public goodwill, when they live with the illusion that they elect Rudd?

    And there is not at this point a credible alternative. Too much tall timber went out with Gillard. Shorten? -too much damage from the two leadership shifts. Swan from the backbenches? – much less persuasive than Gillard, and thus not viable. Plibersek? – tough enough, but they may not risk another female. Maybe Clare, Butler or Dreyfus, but all would have to do a lot of work and raise their profile. Albo? – probably never even seen himself as the top job material, but might have to be interim leader until the young ones are ready, if he can’t keep Rudd under oontrol.

  16. GD,

    Well, if Labor wins the election, the party have got the tiger by the tail. I hope someone has come up with a protection strategy because I’m sure they are going to need one.

    Gems like Gillard only pop up once in a lifetime. There is not one in the parliamentary labor party at the moment who could even hold a candle to her.

  17. Agree, Janice. That was the terrible waste of the whole episode. Like BB, Aguirre, jaycee, PA and many others posting here, I still believe that Gillard could have turned it around. As Latham once wrote, if the Liberals reduce this contest to a character test Gillard vs Abbott, you’d have to back Gillard.

    We have to acknowledge, however, that those on the ground with much better knowledge and polling than us, did not think it possible to turn around.

    In the end, I have to get behind C@tmomma. Surviving Abbott has to be the first priority.

  18. Watch the Disability Care advert at the start of this you tube vid. If you want to learn to crochet, watch the vid too. 🙂

  19. I agree defeating abbott is No1 priority. (My discomfort with Rudd I take over the road, where there has been a three year of unrestrained kicking of JG supporters, so quid pro quo.)

  20. I have posted before that I believe the upcoming election will be all about personality and not substantive policy.

    I think this will be clearly visible in the issue of AS.

    Neither party atm has policies that will work in the short term but the libs will push the slogans and the tough as nails approach.

    The libs will push how soft Mr Rudd is on AS to the max. No real policy, just noise. That is all they have.

    How Mr Rudd reacts will be interesting.Trying to put the issue off into the never never of the regional conference announced by the President of Indonesia will not be enough, I feel.

    Will Mr Rudd try to out toughen Abbott or will he take a different approach?

    It well may come down to a battle of who has the biggest penis re AS.

    Perhaps Mr Rudd needs to go earlier rather than later before this one issue that can really hurt labor ramps up any more.

  21. The tragedy of the ALP?

    Kevin Rudd, and his sycophants will, most assuredly, seek to destroy JGPM’s legacy. Wipe it out. Never to be talked of again.

    That’s bad enough! What’s worse?

    All of us.

    Parliamentary members, Senators, Party members, long time voters, union members and others.

    We will stand by and let them do it.

    That we allow them to is testament to the power of money, mainstream media, backroom deals and the naivety of honest thought and endeavour.

    Rudd may, as we all hope, beat Abbott.


    look at the price paid.

  22. I am finding it slightly amusing that people are saying Rudd will be a disaster if he wins , they will have to get rid if him again.

    If he is elected Pm. again there is no way he will knifed again.

    Atm, he has changed the political landscape and put labor in with a decent chance of keeping the demented Abbott and the rest of the soulless coalition out of office.

  23. If you look back now, the three years under Julia Gillard have the same effect as an optical illusion, a mirage. At least that’s what K Rudd wants us to think.

  24. BK


    I heard some bloke on the radio this morning talking about young Ager as a future captain. geez give the kid a chance and haven’t they learnt the lesson after anointing Clark so early on.

  25. 6Pack – Madness, my nephew has a Ducati 1098 Streetfighter R.

    Not many k on it and never dropped – I’d be happy if you took it off his hands!

  26. What I am finding very interesting atm re the cricket is all the angst being shown over the “decision ” by Stuart Broad not to walk.

    Why would you walk ?

    Everyone goes on about respecting the decision of the umpire.

    Well, the ump made a decision and the decision was not out.

    Swings and roundabouts I reckon.

  27. I sit here sometimes after reading the posts here and on other sites and think the best result of the election would be a win for Abbott. Nothing contributes more to a learning curve than personal experience.
    If Abbott wins, Julia’s legacy will be wiped out. Nothing more sure and certain.What part of the legacy is the Party under Rudd intent on “wiping out”? The NDIS is staying, Shorten is working hard to lock in Gonski, the Carbon Price is staying even though the conversion to ETS may be brought forward, Parental leave is staying. So what part of her legacy is being removed?
    Let’s face some facts. We, the people elected the 102 members of the Labor Party who form the Caucus. That is as much say as we get in determining the Leader..We have given the power to these people to elect the Leader. They have held a ballot and the majority chose Rudd. Democracy at work. Don’t Like it? then vote for the Coalition! At least then you would have the satisfaction of knowing it was not Rudd that “wiped out” Julia’s legacy.

  28. Taking a break from designing…

    Someone above said there should be some political censorship here.

    There won’t be.

    Provided a case is argued and whoever it is doesn’t start insulting other commenters or causing mischief, plus keeps to the usual norms of polite behaviour (including not making defamatory comments), anything goes.

    On “Other Matters” I’m one of those who believes Gillard would have had to have won the election, as the National Dummy-Spit we have seen for three long years couldn’t have been sustained.

    It would have been an honourable victory, too.

    Let us not forget that Rudd nearly wrecked the party. He seemed to regard it as his personal property to do with whatever he wanted, including cruelling its chances at an election.

    He ran a protection racket – constantly threatening to start a fire, or throw a cockroach into the soup – unless he got his way.

    He lied about his conditions for re-accepting the leadership, lied about his personal loyalty and slagged Gillard and her ministers off at what now has been revealed to be just about every possible opportunity… worse, he did this to the Murdoch press.

    Now he wants to firewall himself against exactly what he did to Gillard… and, it must be noted, what she did to him. But his campaign was far more vicious and long-lived.

    Sure, it’s nice for the pain to stop, and to have some hope of a victory, but we only have it because Rudd finally got his way. That’s what happens with all protection rackets: the pain stops when you finally give in and pay up.

    I have little interest in Rudd, because I personally don’t believe a thing he says. I think he’s a liar’s liar and a classic Labor rat.

    I’ve joined the ranks of those who are prepared to accept any benefits he provides by way of election wins, but more in that “take the money and run” way than with any warmth or genuine enthusiasm for the gift.

    A bonus would be to see Abbott go down, I can’t deny that, but at what cost? Rudd is simply, to me, the “enemy of my enemy”.

    If he had lost the ballot and had left politics Gillard would have had clearer air to get on with winning the election. And it would have been a good thing, a great thing.

    Don’t fall into the trap of Rudd worship. He’s a useful tool, but no more than that. Good for winning elections, like a gridiron Offence team is supposed to be at scoring but, once in power, he’ll be as big a megalomaniac as he’s ever been.

  29. joe,


    I just reckon accept the good luck and stay.

    You can bet a billion dollars that at some stage of your career you will be given out when you were not.

    So grab the good luck and don’t spit the dummy on the bad luck.

    Simple game I reckon.

  30. I don’t worship Rudd but I believe he has given labor a better chance of winning the election than Julia did.
    The recent polls and feel around the place seems to bear that out.

  31. What we think about Rudd and his megalomaniacal tendencies has been rendered virtually irrelevant. We are the 29% who would have supported Julia Gillard come hell or high water in the election.

    And then there’s everyone else.

    What was it Gough said about the impotency of the pure, before he hoiked the Labor Party into a winning position electorally?

    Well, I’ll admit it, I may not be blind to Rudd’s ways but I’m not so blind that I could not see an electoral tsunami coming Labor’s way in September.

    Julia Gillard could not have prevented it. In fact, the best Labor could have hoped for was another Hung Parliament at best. Which would have caused a stampede to the other side just to make sure it didn’t happen again.

    Julia was good but she was facing 3 opposing forces, Rudd and his gang, the media, and the Coalition; who wouldn’t have quit their sniping once the election campaign got under way, and it’s naive to think that they would have and that Julia would have got the ‘clear air’ she needed to get her message across to the electorate.

    I’m just a realist, not an idealist I guess.

    I condemn Rudd and his malign forces, and their tactics, as much as the next person. I just don’t want the more malign forces of Abbott and his lot to prevail. And I’m not so cavalier as to want to hand the election to him on a platter just so that Julia can go down fighting the good fight.

    Because I am also not so dumb as to believe that the media would have woken up to themselves for the election campaign and stopped duchessing Abbott on his path to The Lodge. As I have been able to see how they have turned on a dime since Rudd returned and I do not believe they would have made that change if Julia had stuck around.

    Though, that’s just my opinion, fwiw. Which is as much as anyone else’s. 🙂

  32. The legacy I’m talking about is not the legislative one.

    I’m talking about the will to spend political capital to enable the legislation.

    To cop all the slings, arrows and insults to push and pass an agenda that looks further ahead than the next headline. To not let the scorn of the Uhlmans, the Sales’ and the blind, vicious hatred of those such as Jones, Hadley, Smith, Bolt and others deter from the job at hand. To stand up to, answer and, finally, stare down a room of bloodlust gorged jackals….twice. I could go on but you all know the stories and probably have your own favourite memories.

    The legacy Mr Rudd and his sycophants seek to tarnish isn’t the legislative one.

    It’s the true story of the sacrifice, pain, courage and sheer bloody minded determination of Julia Gillard and those loyal to both her and their shared vision that they wish to devalue.

    Hyperbole or not, my veiw is that Ms Gillard was carrying the flame to relight the beacon on the hill.

    Mr Rudd extinguished it….and we let him.

  33. 6Pack – A Dec 2009 thing. It’s not easy to ride quickly – I’m little so much leaning forwards is needed to get it to go fast. It has the very nice suspension and brakes. For anything to keep up is unusual.

    Nephew’s problem with with selling it has to do with inner-city parking … He gets a freebie under the Office with a bike.

    And it’s the nice ‘red’!

  34. Much as I admire and appreciate Julia Gillard I don’t believe she would have won the election. Not because she didn’t deserve to win. Not because she didn’t have the policies and the track record to win. Not because she lacked the personal qualities of a once in a lifetime PM.

    The forces marshalled against her were too great. Plus the inherent sexism that undeniably exists in great swathes of Boganalia. Plus the perception carefully nurtured by the Liberals/media over a period of YEARS – that she was a liar and a back-stabber. There wasn’t the time available to turn that around. In fact the more time that went by the deeper those perceptions would have been driven by the conservative machine of political destruction.

    Australia was just not ready for a female Prime Minister. India has had a female leader, even conservative Pakistan and a host of other countries. But I bet that none of them had media outlets in their large cities calling for their female leaders to be put in a chaff bag and dumped at sea. Their media aren’t so feral that their leaders were publicly humiliated by ‘questions’ about their partners’ sexual inclination.

    It shames me as an Australian to admit that my country is a land thickly populated with bogans, rednecks and dribbling dumbed-down right wing sheep. Of course other countries are, too. But none have the lack of media diversity we do, none have media allowed to openly call for the actions against politicians that certain hate jocks ruminated against Julia Gillard.

    Julia would have been destroyed at an election, and her legacy with her. Chewed up and spat out by an ungrateful, brainwashed, petty, greedy electorate in thrall to the most one-sided media landscape outside of a one-party dictatorship. Politics in Australia is a cruel, soulless business, none more so than for female leaders of progressive parties. The better and more legislatively effective she is the more the bastards hate her.

  35. Yes Ian, and we will rue the day we let him extinguish that flame. We are all poorer for the restoration of an egotistical psychopath, but then, we could still get lucky if he wins and then blows his phoofer valve or falls under a bus as he celebrates his achievement.

    I’m in step with BB – I have detached myself from rudd Labor and look on the events now as a casual observer. I will join all the other zombies as they go into the polling booth, tick the labor boxes and then go home and curl up with a book.

  36. foreverjanice
    I’m not even sure I’ll tick the Labor boxes yet – well, the senate box is a definite Labor tick, but the reps? I dunno. Here’s why.

    I’m wondering what major new policies Rudd will have. It seems Labor’s election campaign will be all about keeping what has already been accomplished. ‘If you want to keep the better schools funding vote Labor’. ‘If you want Disability Care to stay then vote Labor’. All the hard work has been done by Julia Gillard. All the things Rudd Mark I was too chicken to tackle have finally been accomplished. What’s left for Rudd Mark II to do after the election? A bit of tinkering with parenting payments to allow a few thousand bludgers to suck at the public teat a bit longer. An increase in Newstart. A bit of posturing on asylum seekers. Maybe something on electricity prices. A fiddle with the trasition to an ETS. All minor stuff, nothing visionary or inspiring there. And then….? Another round of useless overseas trips, I suppose. So far Rudd has not put forward anything that excites me or grabs my attention.

    I’m waiting to be won over by Labor. I’ve voted independent for so long that I’ve completely lost the party voting habit. I need to be convinced Labor is worth voting for. I want to see some more vision for the future, not just hanging on to what has already been done. I need to be wooed, I suppose, not taken for granted. My vote probably won’t count anyway, we are expecting a Nats win in Lyne. I’ll do my best to make sure that doesn’t happen, but so far no-one has convinced me why should vote #1 Labor. There are thousands like me out there, just waiting for some inspiration. i hope we find it.

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