It’s Abbott and the LNP …

… SO IT’S DIFFERENT …

Cross-posted from Truth Seekers Musings – with many thanks to Truth Seeker!

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It never ceases to amaze me that, according to the LNP and their complicit MSM/ABC, when the ALP does or says something, they are dishonest, dysfunctional, in disarray, untrustworthy, incompetent etc, but when the LNP are any of those things, for real, there’s nothing to see here! Likewise when the ALP changes leader, it’s a political assassination, but when the LNP do the same it’s in the best interests of the party, the state, the nation and in fact the entire history of mankind!

This question of changing leaders has reared it’s ugly head again, as a result of the unexplained resignation of Ted Baillieu as Vic Premier.

At the risk of reopening old wounds, I think that it’s worth asking “what’s the difference, between what the ALP and the LNP have done?”

We still hear about how K Rudd was knifed in the back, how “Gillard has blood on her hands” etc etc.

Now , in the interest of full disclosure, I for one was less than happy, at the time, with the

ALP’s decision to replace Rudd, but then I, like most, only saw the public face of Rudd, and was unaware of the difficulties of working with him which, with the benefit of hindsight, there were murmurings of, prior to the spill.

Now like Baillieu, Rudd did quit, the only difference being that Rudd had a second chance to put himself up for the position and was defeated by a clear majority vote of the caucus.

The MSM are reporting that Baillieu came to the decision on his own, after becoming aware that he no longer had the full support of his parliamentary party. The same could be argued for Rudd, who made the position of leader vacant of his own volition, returning to caucus later, determining to test the numbers.

Now I can hear all the right whingers, crying foul, and saying there’s no comparison. But who can say with any certainty that Baillieu was not in the same situation whereby if he didn’t jump, he would have been pushed? The very fact that he “Became aware” that he did not have the support he needed, alludes to the possibility that he did get some type of tap on the shoulder.

The LNP also summarily dismiss the comparison with Abbotts actions against Turnbull by saying that Turnbull was not an elected leader of the country, but he was the elected leader of the LNP, as Rudd was the elected leader of the ALP who happened to win an election and became subsequently the PM, in the same way that Baillieu became Premier.

It could also be argued that Rudd, at least had the guts, ego, determination or whatever, to test the numbers, whereas Baillieu, so far, has just capitulated, and the future will tell whether he gets the opportunity, and has the guts etc, to do the same.

Abbott on the other hand deposed Turnbull by one vote, and his motivations were definitely not altruistic, but rather as a way to fulfil his personal ambitions, with the added bonus of being able to renege on the deal Tunbull made with Rudd on the ETS.

The irony of ironies was that the one vote that got him over the line, was almost certainly from his good mate (?) Slipper, another friend and colleague he tried to destroy. (Turnbull given the poison chalice portfolio of destroying the NBN, to further erode what, if any, credibility he had left after the Gordon Gretch affair.)

There is a generic term which is “Right wing projection”, which alludes to the fact that those of the “Right” regularly accuse others (anyone not from the “Right”) of doing what they themselves are guilty of:

  • The ALP are dishonest and as a result can’t be trusted, when it is them (the LNP) that are serial liars ie, Whyalla, Gillard lied, Taxes and interest rates will always be lower under the LNP, (Abbott) “I will be the workers best friend ”, wrecking ball through the economy etc etc.
  • The ALP are bad economic managers, whilst presiding over an economy that is the envy of the developed world, and their (LNP) economic plans have been roundly condemned by the vast majority of credible economists.
  • The Carbon Tax/price is bad for the economy and will not reduce emissions, when the facts show that the compensation package more than covered the moderate impost for those that could not afford the small rise in costs, and the emissions from power generation have already shown a drop of 8%+ in the first six months.
  • Their three word slogans are based on lies or at best misinformation.
  • And the list goes on.

    So, over the statement “It’s Abbott and the LNP, so it’s different” the question remains … WHY?

    1,024 thoughts on “It’s Abbott and the LNP …

    1. BB,

      … figures similar to Mr Howard’s six months out from at least one election, if my memory serves me correctly.

    2. leonetwo understatedly says ..: “Here’s the first – sources in the Liberal Party say MPs are really worried about Tony Abbott. They say he lacks the intellectual ability…”
      That’s not a rumour, leone…anybody who says “co2. is an odourless, weightless gas…” is definately NOT a thinker….and this jerk has a Rhodes scholarship!!!??

    3. Great twitters BB

      For such a verbose bastard as myself, I find the rigour of having to fit a message, a hashtag and a longish link into 140 characters is challenging.

      There’s definitely an art to tweeting. I’m just a beginner.

    4. BB, and if we look at the moe, we could well be 1-2% points of 50-50 territory. With a good story to tell and the economy in a very strong position, together with the trifecta that most people care about (low inflation, low interest rates, high employment) ALP can get this one over the line.

    5. BB, it’s actually quite an art form and helps you really hone your point/argument. Although I’d never give up reading in-depth and long analysis, for getting a point across quickly, Twitter is actually pretty good. Used in conjunction with a blog, it’s a razor sharp way of communicating/debating

    6. Mark Latham suggests that Rudd needs to be given a ministry- he had one remember? Foreign Minister- that went well didn’t it?

    7. What about those daggy running shoes on Peter Watson, and the baseball cap stuck in the back of the pants? Just like the rest of us. 😉

    8. Right wingers love bringing up Abbott’s Rhodes Scholarship as irrefutable evidence that he’s “brilliant”, but I’ve heard that back then, any jock who was good at sport, got at least a ‘pass’ and got along well with the right people could get one.

    9. I enjoy the challenge of 140 letters but I don’t think I’m doing twitter correctly. Do you have to address to a #tag or just do what I’m doing? eg…no #tag

    10. Just so everyome understands the importance of leadershit to the nation – the top Fairfax story today has been Domino’s pizza and their ‘new look’. It’s been the SMH and Age headline all day and the most read story for both. Julia Gillard and the leadership has been dropping down the SMH page all day and has not rated at all in any of Fairfax’s most read or most popular story lists.

    11. Well, well, well. Verrry interesting. This tidbit of information from Crikey’s coverage today of Hawkie’s 30 year reunion Dinner on the weekend with the old muckers of the Press Gallery at Old Parliament House:

      while Fairfax supremo Greg Hywood and partner Kate Legge from The Australian were spotted enjoying themselves.

      That would be Kate Legge of the ‘earlobes and no handbag’ stories about the Prime Minister.

      See, no difference at all when it comes to the two media entities.

    12. leonetwo,
      I detected no stomach for #leadershit when ABC24 Breakfast wasn’t bothering with it by 10am.

      There waas a half-hearted attempt by Naomi Woodley and Sabra Lane to breathe life into it on The World Today on radio, but they didn’t sound like they had that old zeal for the subject that they used to have. A couple of interviews with McTiernan, again, and that joker from the Northern Territory, who couldn’t be understood anyway, and finished off with Peter Garrett’s emphatic statement of support for JGPM. And that was that! Didn’t even have a smart-arsk quip from Barnaby Joyce or Chris Pyne, THAT’S how half-hearted it was. 🙂

    13. ian,
      Unless you want your Tweet to be part of a particular thread, like #auspol or the Question Time thread, #qt or The Drum, #thedrum or Q&A, #qanda then it’s not necessary to include a hashtag in your Tweet. You can thus use the full 140 characters but your Tweet then only goes to your Followers. I do this most of the time and then just hope the Tweet was good enough for Retweets. 🙂

    14. Tony Abbott taking instruction over lunch from some seedy looking, unshaven old bloke with a thing for sausages at Penrith Panthers last week.

      Two of The Girls were also present, along with some ‘friends’ from Abbott’s days as a trainee priest at Emu Plains. I wonder how hard Peta had to search to find people who stil live in the area 26 or more years later and can remember Abbott. Or did she just hire some extras. It’s just so important to prove that Tones has real, true friends who live out west.
      http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/our-leaders-say-its-not-an-election-campaign/story-e6freuy9-1226592791651

    15. I agree with you totally. What mystifies me is why? The country is in excellent shape economically, the future looks bright. We all know Abbott’s claims are not for the benefit of the country but for self interest.
      The scandal of Ashby/Brough/Pyne/Bishop gets no air time.
      Rudd is a great prime minister when he is not. Ten minutes into the position and we would be back to mismanagement of the past and yet the MSM want him or Abbott, both of whom have not got the ability to lead the nation.

      Why, why, why. I have seen no analysis on the reasons for this self destructive wish for the nation.

    16. Welcome to The PUB, Len Gould!

      You will find plenty of analysis here.

      One of my colleagues has a tale from his schooldays. The subject was History, and the topic of the essay was wtte What were the reasons behind Henry VIII’s dissolution of the monasteries?

      One student submitted a one-word essay:

      Money.

      This is a high-stakes game, and the real players (Messrs Abbott and Rudd are mere puppets, mere ventriloquists’ dolls …) couldn’t give a tinker’s curse about Australia.

    17. ian

      I am following you on twitter and seeing your tweets, as for #tags, just do what C@t says if you want a particular theme to run.

    18. Fiona, thanks for your enquiry and apparently noticing that I’m a bit off course these days. I have been turning out fewer ‘pomes’ anyway and trying to do more private writing, but even that has dried up. You may be interested in my news for future reference after your broken leg experience at this stage of your life, somewhat earlier than mine.

      I’m in my late seventies but that had little to do with the shattered knee caused by a careless motorist not seeing me with Tacker on a cross walk last June. But it seems my age had a lot to do with my sustaining a broken wrist in trying to break a simple off-balance fall at Christmas.

      Apparently once our bodies stop producing as much oestrogen as in our fertile years we have a problem with bone density, no matter how active we are or sensible, as we see it, with our diet. In other words, grateful as I am for my life style to date which has kept me fit and healthy and mentally alert there is a lot I took for granted. I could have made adjustments to both diet and type of activity and perhaps avoided that loss of balance, simple fall and broken wrist had I gone regularly for check-ups throughout my fifties. Instead of which I have been ridiculously complacent about the good health I’ve enjoyed until now.

      Well, I’ve been in and out of doctors’ and specialists’ waiting rooms in recent months and very willing to take their advice, having experienced loss of independence, being unable to drive, and the frustration at becoming a burden to a wonderful daughter who I think has enough to do already with teenaged sons and the public life of her husband. When does she get time for herself if she also has responsibility for me?

      So I’ve had blood tests and bone mineral density x-rays and discover I have a mild and common condition known as Osteopenia which will need some dietary adjustments, eg back to meat and dairy which I was so proud of giving up, and having less grains and cereals, particularly rice! Apparently we are all different and we should avail ourselves of the tests and diagnostic tools available these days to find out how. The best thing about these ‘investigations’ has been the probing around my mental capacity and making me really front up to the big problem of aging…….Alzheimers.

      We shouldn’t leave that to chance. None of us, men or women. Find a good GP, get regular checks ups no matter how well and healthy you are, don’t wait to be knocked over by a car. Had I been willing to start preparing for old age in my middle years I might not already have been suffering the mild memory lapses which are often early pre-cursors of senility. There’s been a lot to read about that, and I’m hoping it’s a pre-occupation with it all which is responsible for my having ‘writers block’ at the moment. New diet and new exercise regime (eg less swimming and more running in the pool!) may make a difference.

      Any helpful suggestions welcomed from anyone who has been where I have recently? Glad to hear of your own rapid recovery, Fiona, but I hope the accident is not something you’ll see as something to put behind you. Who’d ever have thought I’d be grateful to that bloody woman who didn’t look left?

    19. Ray Hadley and Tony Abbott. These two pathetic, owned individuals are totally dependent on each other.

    20. A possible path for a Rudd comeback

      Read all of this before you think I’ve gone bonkers.

      While I don’t agree wholeheartedly with the extract from a Delmiter column below, it certainly is a more thoughtful contribution than anything “Lord Har-Har” Hartcher has ever written, or could ever write.

      My thought process starts off with the one aspect no-one seems to have commented on concerning the right-wing media coverage of the Rudd-Guillard war: whatever they propose they propose only one winner. They have a vested interest in keeping Labor divided. Labor divided is what they want. “Rudd on top” or “Gillard on top”… it doesn’t matter to them.

      But what if Labor was united and still solved the Rudd problem?

      The writer below (Renai leMay) is a confessed Rudd supporter in the Rudd v. Gillard stakes (the confession is refreshing, as opposed to the disingenuous claims of impartiality from the MSM), but he has a point to make that’s not entirely objectionable:

      Return of the King:
      Kevin Rudd re-joins the NBN campaign

      I’m not surprised to see here that the NBN is still very much on Kevin Rudd’s mind. It wasn’t just Conroy that was an advocate of the NBN in the early days.

      Can you imagine what level of trust and support in the future of Australia as an exporter of knowledge and technology that Rudd must have needed to have had, in order to publicly back a $40-$50 billion (ish) infrastructure project, taking on Telstra and restructuring the entire telecommunications industry along the way?

      It’s hard to see more conservative leaders such as Julia Gillard, Treasurer Wayne Swan, Foreign Affairs Minister Bob Carr, Defence Minister Stephen Smith and so on as supporting that kind of project right off the bat as Rudd did.

      Rudd was always the visionary in his government — whereas most of the other senior ministers, such as Gillard herself, were more capable administrators. I think much of the unpopularity of the current Gillard Government is based on the fact that Gillard doesn’t appear to have the ability to capture the spirit of the times as Rudd did.

      You can see this in the way that Gillard supports the NBN, but doesn’t really appear to fundamentally understand what it’s all about. It’s very much Stephen Conroy’s project — while under the previous Prime Ministership, Rudd had a much more hands-on approach.

      http://delimiter.com.au/2013/03/11/return-of-the-king-kevin-rudd-re-joins-the-nbn-campaign/

      A good administrator like Gillard might see that it’s better to have Rudd inside the tent than outside.

      It follows that an offer of a senior ministry would not be entirely wasted effort.

      Rudd DID have the courage to get the NBN going (although I believe it was mostly Conroy’s idea), he DID have the courage to stimulate the economy through the one-off payments, HIP and BER programs.

      In my opinion Gillard made a mistake with the BER by its very name – “Building The Education Revolution – implying that it was a lot more than make work, but also implicitly inviting every crank with a grand educational scheme – from more teachers to new syllabuses – to stick their noses in, confusing the objectives and outcomes of the program.

      Yes, some of these ideas might have been better for education than building school halls, gyms and libraries, but they would have also taken years and would not have spread largesse around the unemployed of the construction industry in time to save the economy as (relatively) simple bricks and mortar did. Nevertheless there was enough distracting daylight left for critics of the BER to eventually drive a truck through. It was a crack that need never have emerged.

      Gillard is a good administrator, a brilliant negotiator and a gutsy fighter, but sometimes has a tin ear when it comes to politics. She plays too fair, and gets sidetracked by her obsessions.

      She got murdered on the highly successful BER by indulging her passion and her vanity for education (her portfolio, incidentally) in trying to make the BER out to be more glorious than it was: a recession buster with long-term benefits.

      Rudd, on the other hand is a lousy administrator, but a brilliant politician. He has a good head for grand schemes and the Big Picture, but turns a wet paper bag into a morass of glue mixed in with quicksand, for himself as well as others, whenever it gets down to details.

      Put the two heads together, in the reverse of the order they were in before – Gillard as boss – and we might get somewhere.

      To effect this scenario there needs to be a rapprochement – a visible, public, effusive, genuine one – between the two and a realization between them both that divided they are wrecking the party’s chances but, together and united, they can not only save it, but do so triumphantly.

      My best option would be to make Rudd a Special Minister Of State – no reshuffles required – for Innovation and Infrastructure, with Cabinet rank if necessary, and let him loose with all the charm and influence he could muster, which is considerable. In effect he would become the government’s Minister For Promoting The Government, it’s Chief Salesman.

      It would be a killer combination (an Abbott killer combination, that is. Abbott would be forgotten in the time it takes to say, “Liberal Heartland”)

      If there was a “Kirribilli” type agreement attached as a secret protocol, then that might help too.

      Rudd would have a busy six months to turn Labor’s fortunes around, Gillard would have him no longer around her neck dragging her down. The media would be humiliated while Rudd did what he does best: using a six-inch paintbrush to sell the Labor vision.

      This awful propaganda war would be over. The never-ending speculation – around which most of the commentariat’s stories have been written for nearly three years now – would be instantly deflated. The relief that alone brought, apart from other obvious benefits, would enervate Labor and unite them.

      It would be character-building for both sides of the equation, and of immense practical benefit in fighting the Tories, who at the moment are gloating at the prospect of wrecking everything Labor has done, in some kind of orgy of negativity held in the malignant cesspit they have dug for themselves.

      Obama did it with Hilary Clinton and it worked. Gillard could do it with Rudd, and it would work too.

      No risk about it.

      I emphasize that it needs to be genuine, and enthusiastically received by both sides. The public will smell a phoney reunification of the two warring sides through a concrete wall.

      I needs to be done fast. It needs to be bold and decisive. All it needs is some face-saving form of words about how both sides have learned their lessons and have now gotten over the past.

      The pressure many in the caucus are feeling to just do something to make the media torture stop would be lifted. Sure, they’d be doing something, but it would be a something that left the media flat-footed again.

      Take it from me, there is no sweeter love to be made than the love-making you make after a bitter split.

      Now is the time for all good men, and women, to come to the aid of the party… or else they’ll all go down in a screaming heap and be left with nothing to show for 7 years hard work.

    21. Hi Pub patrons

      I rarely comment, just lurk and read here, and mainly TPS, AIMN, AFHP,, Cafe Whispers and IA. The Pub is a great site, pleased you all moved from the one across the road as I stopped reading that one a while back for obvious reasons..

      Just a few thoughts (vague and unformed at this stage,and possibly already made elsewhere) on campaign strategies..

      Somehow, without implying that the general voting public are stupid for falling for Abbott/Murdoch lies and spin, need to paint LOTO and his conservatives party as taking the Australian voters for granted and treating them as stupid because LOTO and colleagues expect us ‘dumb average voters’ to fall for his three word slogans and blatant lies. I think various Ministers have suggested this on specific issues, but the theme is fragmented.

      We should all (5th estate) stop using the term Liberal party (despite its easy corruption to Lieberals and Fiberals and Lialots) and start referring to them as the Australian Conservative Party. (ACP) It probably won’t catch on in MSM, but you never know – When you read about Aus politics in say the Guardian, they mention the “Opposition Liberal party”, and rarely is there a clarification that in the Australian political sense, Liberal Party = Conservative party = republican party. Maybe the Aus Consumer Assoc should sue the Liberal party for false advertising (insert sarcastic tone here..)

      There has been on several sites, comparisons made between the ‘marketing’ tactics (i.e fear and smear/ repetitive lies) of the conservative opposition and those of Goebbels and the nazis. Maybe, given that LOTO is an anglophile, we should equate the oppositions tactics, (particularly re asylum seekers/Morrison’s recent comments) as similar to those of the British during the Irish troubles of the late 1800’s early 20th century. The British used similar insidious tactics to whip up hatred and contempt for the Irish every time there was the barest possibility of support for Home Rule. Comparison with the nazis may be seen as extreme/hyberbole,(& possibly upsetting to some) but perhaps someone with more detailed factual knowledge of Irish History could use their skills to make some parallels and tie it to LOTO’s anglophile leanings. (I formed this thought from reading a few months back, 2 of Leon Uris’s novels: Trinity and Redemption, and the similarities struck a chord. If you are interested in Irish History, or like a good novel that constructs its characters from and around actual historical events, then I highly recommend these books) The picture above of the glass of Guinness is timely!

      There has been vague talk on other sites of the need for a “fact checker” site or sites, similar to those developed for the US election last year. Crikey made an attempt, but at last check, there are only 9 items on this page http://www.crikey.com.au/topic/get-fact/ and only a couple are about the opposition. There are random articles on various sites that sort of do a fact check, but the fact check is usually buried in a broader article. We need a site that unpicks every policy claim, vague or otherwise, and/or links to any article that attempts critical analysis of policy – both ALP and Conservatives. maybe the new Aus Guardian will do this.

      I too thought Minister Garrett was impressive this morning, and for a change, I am actually looking forward to Q&A. Good luck tonight C@t!

      PS. Just ready BB post above and tend to agree – better to have use Rudd’s talents and keep a closer eye on him, than have him or his supporters agitating in the background. what’s that old syaing about keep your friends close and your enemies closer

      There was apparently a rumour around canberra last week of a challenge, but not from Rudd, Combet with Shorten as DPM. I refused to give it any credence as the person who mentioned it to me, saying it was from a friend of a friend is a conservative voter, so I told him no source – I will assume it is just him Sh!t-stirring and mischief making to get a reaction…

      Apologies for making my first post such a long one!

    22. Can’t see it working, BB, and not sure whether you’ve gone bonkers. How could it possibly unite the party when Rudd is so loathed in some quarters?The entire caucus would need to make a visible, public and genuine rapprochement, and that would hardly be believable after what was said last year.

    23. If it hasn’t been thought of already, then neither of them are half the politicians I think they are.

      The aim is to win the war. Plenty of holy and unholy alliances have been forged in the past to win wars.

      Ask Joe Stalin and FDR, ask Wellington and Blucher, ask Obama and Clinton, ask Gillard and Rudd… and hope they listen.

      I’ve tweeted the idea.

    24. Angrybee,

      Welcome – lovely to see you stepping out of the shadows.

      Your suggestions are, to say the least, thought-provoking!

      I believe C@tmomma is behind the bar, all ready to pour your “on the house” bevvy.

    25. BB/others – is there any way in your blog’s settings to show a pagination of the comments, rather than Older/Newer comments?

    26. Cheers fionajr,

      unfortunately its a bit warm to really enjoy a Guinness (although St Pats day looks to be cooling off enough for a pint or two) I’d love a Cascade, or if you have it, a “Moo Broo” – Tas boutique pilsener from Moorilla estate near Hobart – its a devine drop!

    27. BB,

      You write pure common sense. However, there is still the problem of Rudd himself. I think Gillard gave him the FA portfolio against the wishes of caucus in the hope that he would not only enjoy his position on the world stage, but that it would heal his bitterness and enable his talents to be used to good effect for his Party and country.

      It didn’t work because Rudd’s ego is too huge and he resented working under the person who replaced him as PM – I believe he’d have done exactly the same thing regardless who that PM was.

      In my mind, Rudd hasn’t yet shown to be completely willing to play a lesser role in the Government and therefore your scenario wouldn’t work.

    28. Worth a good effort, BB. The trick would be to keep him separate from the seat of power, but in a power-zone of his own…with an adminisrtative liason dept’ between.
      I did once have the idea of forming a triumvirate (except w/women..) of ALP. leadership once….but kept it to myself.
      But as Jack says..animosity and all that!…..still, it could be a way and perhaps with the promotion of charisma it could very well be an idea for the future leadership.
      But I am open to the idea……could mend the rift.

    29. How could it possibly unite the party when Rudd is so loathed in some quarters?

      What was said last year wasn’t so bad. The media make it out to be, but it wasn’t.

      In any case… That was then. This is now.

      As I said the rapprochement has to be genuine, or it’s no dice. Faced with an Abbott government if Labor is divided, the next six months would be bitter, grinding trench warfare with tears at the end the likely result.

      It would be all move and counter-move, with gains and losses measured by yards, a terrible slaughter reminiscent of the Great War.

      With Rudd back in the tent, and willingly so, working as a team player and Cabinet Minister with specific, new responsibilities, with a frank discussion of differences and how they were resolved, such a reunification could work.

      God knows, I don’t think I can take six more months of the shit the media are dishing out.

      The idea came to me from reading that Delimiter article and from the realization that the punditocracy does not want unity. It wants chaos, and Abbott is a master at profiting from chaos.

      Deny Abbott the chaos he feeds off, and which the media feeds off, make it genuine and make it look genuine too (lots of smiles and even the odd hug here and there) and it would be a way out of the grind, like the introduction of tanks were in the final year of the Great War.

      The prerequisites for such a deal are

      * Rationality – facing the real enemy,

      * Loyalty – a united party where the white-anting stops immediately,

      * Maturity – where adult people realize they are better united than divided.

      If Labor’s leaders have all of these capabilities, then this could swing things around to the government’s advantage.

      One thing is for sure: the constant leadership speculation is doing neither side of Labor’s warring factions any good, and it is not a good thing for the country.

      So, I say, end it with everyone picking up a Kewpie Doll… but just END IT.

    30. George Bludger,

      I understand that The Boss is considering this, among other, enhancements.

    31. Maybe my thoughts are clouded by my antipathy for Rudd. I feel very uncomfortable with rewarding such treachery as he and his supporters have shown.

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